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Bluelinecody

Is it a vp44 issue or an injector issue?

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Hi everyone I'm trying to sort out an fueling issue that is making me too scared to drive :(

 

I put a nice fresh engine in my "00 and I'm getting a pile of white smoke at idle and 1/4 throttle. It also sounds as if I have air in the injector lines at idle. 

 

The vp44 is one off my old engine with a p0216 code so I'm wondering if it's an injector that is damaged or if the vp is having problems fueling 150hp sticks?

 

I'm new to the Moparman site but I'm very impressed by this community thanks for the info and your time!

 

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10 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I would say the VP44 is shot being the P0216 code is present. Most of the VP44's tend to get stuck in full retard timing and produce excessive white smoke.

That's where I was leaning as well. I had reservations because the pump  ran just fine when I pulled it. However it has had that code since last November. I had some heart starts this winter but I ignored it lol. 

 

Thank you for the reply

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So the ecm sends a fueling and timing command to the vp44.  The vp44 then does what it can and sends a response back to the ecm stating " I did this timing and this fueling"

 

If the timing command sent does not match the timing command actually done then you get a p0216 code.  

 

 

I would wager a bet that your pump has been on the way out for awhile now.  p0216 can't be related to an injector issue as far as I know.

 

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I ran with the 0216 error code for quite a few years with the truck running smooth. It eventually leaves you stranded not knowing when/ where, So as soon as I got hard starts the VP was replaced

 

I think the two stroke is a testament to able running longer on the 216 code.

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23 hours ago, Me78569 said:

 

 

23 hours ago, JAG1 said:

I ran with the 0216 error code for quite a few years with the truck running smooth. It eventually leaves you stranded not knowing when/ where, So as soon as I got hard starts the VP was replaced

 

I think the two stroke is a testament to able running longer on the 216 code.

JAG1 it has been on the way out I had hard starts all winter unless I plugged it it lol. I talked to Jamie at cpp diesel and I'm ordering a new one this weekend 

 

thank you you all for confirming my suspicion before I dropped 1k 

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I dont know anything about CPP, but I do know warranty and someone honoring it is all you have.

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10 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Don't give CPP any money.  He is not a stand up dude.

Listen to what Nick says he keeps a good track of the better ones to do business with.

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I ordered from thoroughbred and bought the 2 year warranty. I guess I've been out of the game too long. Are people having issues getting warranty work done through cpp? Who are some reputable people I'm going to be needing a turbo next. 

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Yes HUGE issues with the shady pos. Do not trust ANYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth. I am less than impressed with anything Thoroughbred diesel as well.

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2 hours ago, jlbayes said:

Yes HUGE issues with the shady pos. Do not trust ANYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth. I am less than impressed with anything Thoroughbred diesel as well.

Okay but I still need to buy parts from somewhere so where do I go? Your not giving me any options here lol

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2 hours ago, jlbayes said:

Yes HUGE issues with the shady pos. Do not trust ANYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth. I am less than impressed with anything Thoroughbred diesel as well.

I tend to agree. 

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Okay guys Napa doesn't really carry a wide selection of turbos, injectors and other fun parts at fair prices haha do I just browse Craigslist 

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Industrial Injections has turned themselves around as far as vps go. I have no idea what other parts you are looking for. I source stuff from all over the place.

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58 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

Industrial Injections has turned themselves around as far as vps go. I have no idea what other parts you are looking for. I source stuff from all over the place.

 

Looking for a 62 and some injectors now

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62/71/12 t3 gated hx40 downpipe 

 

is there not a one stop shop anymore? Thoroughbred, cpp, dap have all gone to crap apparently. 

1 hour ago, jlbayes said:

A 62 what? Compressor should hardly be the deciding factor in a turbocharger.

 

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Thoroughbred is fine for turbos. Injectors are based on how much you want to spend. I have options from affordable to high end. Most parts are map priced now are map priced. Find someone you like besides CPP. A set of 7x.010s would work well with that charger. Turbines a bit old but works well. A 65mm or 68mm would be a better fit for most dd stuff. Even towing.

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44 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

Thoroughbred is fine for turbos. Injectors are based on how much you want to spend. I have options from affordable to high end. Most parts are map priced now are map priced. Find someone you like besides CPP. A set of 7x.010s would work well with that charger. Turbines a bit old but works well. A 65mm or 68mm would be a better fit for most dd stuff. Even towing.

I'm running 7x.014 sac and an s366/73/14   T3 and gated, it takes forever to spool and leaves smoke so I need something more dd friendly 

Guess I should mention it's built and cammed not just injectors and a turbo and an edge comp lol

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I have a quad 4K  with quad in it now but it's the old software. I'm sending the box in for an update next week. Will that clean things up for me instead of replacing turbo and injectors?  The custom tuning turns into a rabbit hole for me. but if I can get a low smoke tune for town id be super excited.  

33 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

Or you can get quad with v2 tuning and solve a lot of problems with what you got, as lon as you're keeping vp. :2cents:

 

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^^^^ and I would see if you can trade it in for a regular quad instead of 4k just the ability of tuning canbus with v2 is worth its waight in gold, plus all the other options. Tuning is not bad after messing with it for a while, plus we can all help with that. I know how it works but the trick is what's best, so there is a ton of time spent on trying different tuning, canbus is pretty straight forward. Timing is not bad to figure out ether, how timing apply is bit more tricky but not bad. 

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