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mopar440cu

3rd or 4th Gen upgraded steering linkage?

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Has anyone done this swap to a 2nd Gen 01 Dodge 3500? I mean from the whole thing from tie rod to tie rods and bars.  If so, did it work with simplicity or did you have to ream the knuckles out and get a different stabilizer set up?

 

Thanks again!

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I just did it this past weekend on my '01 2500. Didn't need any tie rod reaming, it dropped right in. I got all ACDelco parts off RockAuto, they are pretty stout. There shouldn't be anything different from a 2500 to a 3500.

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I have not done but have always heard that you have cut part of the studs off of the rod ends to clear the the stock 16" wheels. That or use 17" wheels. Just what I have read from other members here.

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Like myself, I cleared 338k miles on the OEM tierod ends. Done another set of NAPA OEM styled tierod end most likely go to 600k miles before I do it again. Nothing to gain for me unless you can prove that heavy duty tierods will go more than 300k miles. 

 

Also still continues to prove anyone with oversized tires are just killing their front suspension. 

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28 minutes ago, dripley said:

I have not done but have always heard that you have cut part of the studs off of the rod ends to clear the the stock 16" wheels. That or use 17" wheels. Just what I have read from other members here.

So you heard I can not use my stock rims? Dang!

1 hour ago, 82dodge331 said:

I just did it this past weekend on my '01 2500. Didn't need any tie rod reaming, it dropped right in. I got all ACDelco parts off RockAuto, they are pretty stout. There shouldn't be anything different from a 2500 to a 3500.

Did you use your stock tires and rims??

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42 minutes ago, mopar440cu said:

So you heard I can not use my stock rims? Dang

I am NOT saying you can't use them. The folks that have have had to shave off some of the stud for the tie rod ends will work. That is on 2500's. It is most likely a bit different on a dully rim. I believe they are narrower which might make it easier. 

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With your 01 it’d be a simple drop in. @dripley is right in that you’ll need to grind down the very tops of the threaded end if you still have the OEM wheels on. If you have aftermarket 16in wheels they SHOULD be offset enough to alleviate the need to trim them, but double check prior to running down the road at least.

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Posted (edited)

 What part numbers did you guys use, in previous threads it mentions something about using an upgrade kit from Mopar that Rock Auto sells.

Edit, I'm guessing was talking about a t Style vs y Style

Edited by Dieselfuture

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Curious how this works on a dually, when mine wears out someday probably look into it. There isn't much price difference between stock and the 4th Gen setup is there?

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Ok, I got the 2009-2010 steering linkage on the 01 3500, but there had to be a slight modification. I had to cut 1/4" off each side of the drag link where they thread into the adjustment sleeve in order to adjust the steering wheel. I just did it on my band saw, but I am sure it can be done with a grinder and a cut off wheel with a steady hand. It threaded right back into the adjustment sleeve like it was meant to be. LOL Other than that the tie rods went right in with no problems. I also replaced the track bar with a 3rd Gen SSI bracket and SSI adjustable track bar because of the leveling kit installed. I have not installed a steering dampener yet and don't think I will because it doesn't need it. I tried it on rough country roads and it was fine at all speeds.

 

Now my impression on this purchase, I have to say it was well worth it. This 3500 has never steered better. I had the Lukes Links on it and got tired of adjusting them. If I had to do it again I would just get this kit, but that's my opinion.

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That's awesome! Definitely looks more robust than the original equipment.  When mine get bad I will definitely be looking into this setup. How do you like that adjustable track bar?

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8 hours ago, Dmaney said:

That's awesome! Definitely looks more robust than the original equipment.  When mine get bad I will definitely be looking into this setup. How do you like that adjustable track bar?

It’s very nice and let me get my axle back where it should be. Rides much better.

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What nuts did you guys( @trreed, @TFaoro, @notlimah) use for the tie rod ends? I read in @notlimah'a thread it was a M14-1.5. I've had one sitting in the shop for a while and was thinking of slapping it on this weekend. 

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13 hours ago, Dmaney said:

That's awesome! Definitely looks more robust than the original equipment.  When mine get bad I will definitely be looking into this setup. How do you like that adjustable track bar?

 

Might look better but I wonder if it can exceed OEM lifespan. Mine went 334k miles on the OEM drag link and tie rod ends. Let's see if it holds up to the test of time. 

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On 5/25/2018 at 10:15 AM, Mopar1973Man said:

 

Might look better but I wonder if it can exceed OEM lifespan. Mine went 334k miles on the OEM drag link and tie rod ends. Let's see if it holds up to the test of time. 

Are the 4th Gen guys plagued with the front end issues our trucks are? Engineering changes to these trucks are usually done for a reason, like why they went to adjustable track bars and steering components beefed up. Our OEM parts aren't that bad but I do believe there is always room for improvement.  

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I have 01 2500 4x4 I'm looking to do a 4th gen sterring upgrade and I need some information about the 2 different possible pitman arms. And info,pics,or info would greatly be appreciated. 

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Posted (edited)

I also reused my pitman arm and I have a few 01 3500’s 4x4’s that are converted with no problems.

Edited by mopar440cu

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I know somewhere I read there is two different pitman arms but I can't remember part numbers or pics.

Someone here has to have pics and part numbers. 

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Posted (edited)

In my personal experience I had a bone stock setup on there and it all needed to be replaced so i went with the factory assembly that fits the 2010s. You may or may not have to find the nyloc nuts to put the tie rods on i cant remember anymore its been about 2 years since i did it. The factory one is nice because it comes completely assembled you literally just have to bolt it up. I did a good ole driveway alignment measurement of the tires and made sure they were the same when i got the new parts in. No reaming. No pitman arm issues. I was on 37s at the time Im now on 35s. Truck is lifted but im not sure what size Im thinking its a 6" lift that the previous owner put on and pitman arm is fine with the upgraded factory steering. The only issue I had with the install is that the steering stabilizer didnt quite match up correctly and i just made it work as best as i could at the time.

 

Now 2 years later I still have not had it aligned at all and until recently when i really messed up my track bar it steered perfectly straight. Tires dont wear funny at all. Tie rods still holding up fine. Not worn out and even after some pretty severe offroading they are doing great. I'd have to estimate that ive got about 25k miles on them now and problem free.

 

Im happy with it though. Steers nice. Doesnt track funny coming to stops or when hitting bumps in the road and i havent noticed that cupping in the tires that you see on wrangler or some trucks which is good.

Edited by 2000Ram2500
LIFTED

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