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The Future of Trucks

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Dunno if anyone else has been watching the trends as of late with the technology going into cars and trucks, but I find it very interesting.  I myself am nearly %100 positive that we will see a over take of gas/diesel in the next 10 years by Electric.  

 

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180702005572/en/Cummins-Announces-Acquisition-Electric-Hybrid-Powertrain-Provider

 

Cummins is moving a large section of their operations to it.  

 

VW built a Electric Peak car that stomped the old records

https://mashable.com/2018/06/25/volkswagen-pikes-peak-car/#FGXNO2fxQaqw

%25 of the power it took to go up the hill was generated by the brakes going up the pass.

 

 

Demon vs Tesla  

 

 

P100D Dyno 

P100D-Dyno-Chart.jpg

No gears, no turbo lag and %100 torque at idle.  

 

 

In wheel motor 100 hp each 700+ ft/lb %85 efficency of energy recoup during braking.

https://www.nanalyze.com/2014/03/proteans-unique-100hp-in-wheel-electric-motor/

 

They are a complete package in 1, feed it power and a command for how much output and that's it.  

 

 

 

the only thing we are lacking at this point is a way to store the energy with a high enough energy density to replace fossil fuels.  Multiple recharge techonologies have proven 30 minute %80 charge possiblity.  

 

 

I did take note of BP buying Londons largest electric vehicle charging firm
Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/energy-giant-bp-bets-on-electric-car-boom-10481430
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/energy-giant-bp-bets-on-electric-car-boom-10481430

 

 

Pretty cool stuff.

 

 

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Until I see an electric vehicle that is capable of covering several hundred miles on a charge on mountain roads without fuel... You could even throw the Toyota Prius on that 1/4 mile track. fine so the car can drive a quarter mile fast. So what? Will it drive 300 to 500 miles on an electric (no fuel) in a day on a single charge? I already know that this won't happen because of the federal fuel taxes. This is why the true hybrid are sold in EU and the wanna-be gas power hybrids are sold here USA.

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I do not like electric cars/ trucks. Almost hit twice in a grocery parking lot by people that were cutting through and make no sound to warn me. Keep in mind it was clear before crossing.

 

We had one lady at my wifes office with a new one. By the time she got close to work she didn't have enough power to use the wipers in the rain.

 

 I don't think they much of a solution to anything since it greater reliance on nuclear power and lethal waste. 

 

 

 

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Again battery density is holding things up.  Battery tech is catching up.  

 

Various high voltage charge solutions are in testing to give that 300 mile range in 15-30 minutes.

 

Not a perfect solution yet, but it is coming.

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What could a guy do to keep the Cummins sound?

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2 hours ago, JAG1 said:

What could a guy do to keep the Cummins sound?

 

Record a MP3 of Cummins running and then burn it to a CD as a long single track. Then play it in your CD player on repeat... Cummins sound for a soundless vehicle...

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It is definitely coming. I won't be surprised when some bigger cities start banning fossil fueled cars to degree for air quality. I would like to know the difference in how pollution is created generating the power for the vehicle compared to burning the fuel in the vehicle. It does bug me when I see the vehicles classified as non polluting. You have to generate the power with something.

The quietness of them bothers me since the sound of on coming vehicles alerts you before stepping in front of them. Need something like the deer whistles for pedestrians on them.

 Battery storage is the hold back for now but the deeper they dive into the tech the quicker the solution will be found and more big money is getting into it.

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Solar starts to make sense when you have a car to charge.  

 

Give me a hd truck with 500 mile range unloaded and sub 30 minute charge stations and I will throw the keys to the 4th gen to a bum on the corner lol.    

 

 

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I believe it’s comming too, and with big corporations like Cummins, and BP in the game I’m sure they wouldn’t be doing it if it wernt to pay off in the near future. Even here in Colorado no matter who gets elected governer they dream of having the state to be run off 100% renewable energy by 2040. even the environment wackos are succeeding in getting the production of coal fired plants shut down so who knows how these people are going to find ways to charge thier systems, Anyone seen the footprint solar panels and windmills leave on the terrain. I hope they come up with something better than that. 

And for the loss of federal and state fuel tax revenue that ain’t no big deal, they will just find another way to tax us.

I am glad I will be out of the working industrial world before any of this takes effect. 

 

I might just say F.... it ! and move into a straw hut down in the Bahamas some where.   Powered by a 100w. solar panel.  Just enough to keep the 🍺 cold.

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Unlike Coal power it does not make sense to do large solar arrays in my mind,  Telsa is on the right track with their solar singels to be mounted on the roof of houses.     

 

If every house had a small array of panels we would be set.  Then put into place a high density energy storage setup and there you go.  

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1 hour ago, dripley said:

It is definitely coming. I won't be surprised when some bigger cities start banning fossil fueled cars to degree for air quality. I would like to know the difference in how pollution is created generating the power for the vehicle compared to burning the fuel in the vehicle. It does bug me when I see the vehicles classified as non polluting. You have to generate the power with something.

The quietness of them bothers me since the sound of on coming vehicles alerts you before stepping in front of them. Need something like the deer whistles for pedestrians on them.

 Battery storage is the hold back for now but the deeper they dive into the tech the quicker the solution will be found and more big money is getting into it.

 

There’s almost always a trade off of some sort. You’re right on with what sacrifices need to be made in order to have solar energy be prevalent. Same mindset as those who choose to be vegan because of animal cruelty. That’s all fine and dandy and live/eat however you want, but don’t act like those bean farmers or whatever don’t kill EVERYTHING to keep those crops alive.  

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I have seen I several places in towns small recharge for electric car, 2 or 4 bay setups. Out on 81 north in northern VA there is a Sheetz I stop pretty regular. They installed a 10 bay Tesla charging station there. At least it has the Tesla logo on them. This is on well traveled interstate but well outside of the big city. I have not noticed any around here in Maryland in the DC area but have bought fuel here very few times.

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Have elec charging station here at indian casino and gas statio and pot shop across street.  Not good combo imo.  See people plug in and walk across the street.  

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The small set ups I see in towns are that. Park, plug and walk away. With charging times I would not want stand there and watch it. Some gas pumps are to slow to my liking.

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17 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

No different than a beer shop and a gas station. Lol

Both on same property.  Pot shop across the street... couple times people getting hit crossing back on busy street, not paying attention.

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Be aware there are places on this earth where solar is not optimal. Like here where I'm at in the dead of winter there is such a small window of direct sunlight that solar is worthless all winter. Remember indirect lighting (shaded) produces 75% to 90% less energy than direct sunlight on the solar panels. Then the more you keep moving north the shorter the daylight hours become. Being I'm living in a solar and hydro powered house I understand the limitations of solar.

 

Now being I've been certified for extraction for the fire dept. There is a huge safety hazard to hybrid cars you MUST know exactly where you can and can't cut on the car for extraction. Then if the car is on fire they highly suggest leaving the car burn the battery is so darn toxic that its best to let it burn than having it leaking battery chemicals that are corrosive and hazardous. I remember read years ago that the Toyota Pirus is the MOST toxic vehicle in the world because of the batteries.

 

http://www.electrocuted.com/2016/11/28/electrocution-hazards-electric-cars/

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Li-Ion is a very unfriendly battery technology.   Li-Ion will not be the future of electric auto's energry density is to low and issues with combusting makes a new version of the ford pinto.

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 With as many big players starting to get into this it wont long for solutions to come. There will a lot trial and error going but that's true for most innovations I have seen thru my life. They are already going thru that right now with electric cars.

 

 We have some solar farms out my way but no wind mills due to lack of enough wind. They do want to put some off the coast but that's going to be while. I am not against some solar on the house but not sure what all it would take to do it. Don't have the money right now anyway.

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There are many many reasons I think electric vehicles are a phase.  No pun...

 

Environmentalism is acting like electric vehicles are superior to combustion engines but in reality they're overly complicated and problematic and come with their own fair share of issues just like any other propulsion system.

 

Plus, its asinine to believe electric vehicles will ever save the world from carbon fuel when things like trains, ships, and airplanes, etc... will run the status quo probably forever.  Yeah, the same jumbo jet airliner which burns 1 gallon of fuel ever SECOND, and the same tanker ship which burns about 1 gallon of fuel EVERY 30 FEET while crossing the ocean...!!!  So please, tell me again how electric cars are going to save us?  LOL...

 

I'm also not ignorant enough to think that electric motors wont likely remain a contestant in the auto industry for many years, but to insinuate everything else will fade away as electric motors dominate is completely overlooking all other variables in an economic aspect, and money driven world.  Remember, even though liberalism will try to say otherwise, the globe isnt run with Star Trek socialism.  People still do things to make money.

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personally I do not care about the "Environmentalism" side of it.  I care about how it will operate on the road.

 

Just looking at how an electric motor works it is clear to see, IF battery density increases and charge times decrease, that a electric truck would tow circles around the diesel version.  

 

No gears, broad rpm band, beautiful torque at idle, regen braking, far better efficency ratio due to heat loss, better output per fuel energy density.  

 

I did the math on a elecrtic car to go to and from work.  It would cost me ~1/6 what it does with by ford focus to drive to and from work if I charge at my house. 

 

 

as for solar roof, it would not be something everyone just jumps to out of the blue.  If the roof needs replacing then you pony up the %50 difference and do it.    Point being is it just makes sense to generate power on the roofs of houses.

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I cant comment on your calculations.....but I have friends/family who've tried (and continue to try) the electric car hype.  After sitting down and crunching hard numbers involving fuel costs, electricity bills, charge times, tires, overall wear and tear, etc...  The figures concluded that their electric cars were about equivalent to driving a 60-70 mpg car.

 

Thats a good thing yes, but just noting that of the few cars we were using in those calculations, one of them was too small to take their family anywhere, and the other had a distance range low enough that it kept them from taking it anywhere but to and from work.  Most people cant afford specialty vehicles.  Most people use their one or two vehicles for everything they do...

 

I remember when crew cab trucks became immensely popular back in the late 80's early 90's.  And...the main reason they became so popular was because people were wanting "versatility".  A vehicle roomy enough that they could take the kids to school, get groceries, go to work, take on vacation, throw the dogs in the back, and still pull the family boat to the lake.  People still want that too which is why Ford is no longer making passenger "cars" other than the Mustang.

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Agree on all points, my only point was when it comes to the cost per gallon vs mpg of the focus ( which is only to and from work use) vs the cost per kwh and range per charge the electric car is significantly better during day to day use.  

 

The electric car would not fill the role of the 4th gen that we ordered.  I am not saying it would.

 

 

I am not going to run out and buy a electric car, because the upfront cost vs the cheap ford focus does not make sense.  When the ford finally dies and I am forced to replace it I will be looking for a purely electric car to take it's place.

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Personally I'd like to see more diesel hybrids. A 1 cyl turbo diesel hybrid would put any gas hybrid to shame in terms of efficiency and longevity. If the costs get to where it's reasonable I wouldn't mind having something as a DD, but nothing I'd take likely ever take on the highway and certainly never back woods. 

 

There are too many people who don't have the ability to charge for days or weeks at a time, which is why I don't think we'll ever be free of fossil fuels for pickups and work vehicles, but the inner city stuff could defiantly take advantage of progressing technology. 

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