First Thank You Michael for having this forum, it has been a wonderful wealth of info. Russ I like how you think, I have cleaned connections, fuses, grounds. Ok DW more info it is a box stock truck, owned by a construction co. in AZ, the company I work for bought them and as equipment manager I inherited this truck and its twin into my fleet. The company I work for runs many F550 Super Duty Fords, I myself have been a loyal Mopar person for many decades, the fords are not my choice and I have the President of the company convinced to buy a Dodge for the next one needed. Part of the reason he is swaying is the cost of repairing the fords (our fleet is aging and with the current economy, it will not be growing much in the foreseeable future) so I am trying to keep costs down on this repair as to not cause him to sway back. Thanks again for everything, Dale