msj113

thanks all i apologize for the lack of input, starts / runs the same whether the first starter engage, or, the 3-4-5 (th) starter engage starts an runs normal / perfect, no spluttering cables clean an tight batterys appx 1.5 year old interstate brand alt'ing at 14.3vdc no codes, no pending codes, no c.e.l. fuel pressure unknown we're nowhere near the (liquid dinamite) aka ether stage of poor start. i'm just used to the first engage start an i want it all the time. i'm kinda picky that way, sorry. wasn't but a few months ago this starting issue was noticed, now its the inconsistency more than the turn the key more times that got my attention. have these pickups had a history of ig switch issues? my theory at this time is; there is just enough wear on the starter solenoid contacts to reduce watts thru the starter, coupled with nice thick 20something degree Fahrenheit lube oil in the crankcase may equal just enough loss of cranking rpm to not start... relying on what memory i have left, seems like 30f or higher ambient, or, ( less than 5hrs cooling time) equals one crank,(engage) starting. actually i have a great memory, its just that the RECALL goes plumb offline occasionally thanks all msj113

oops my bad no codes, each time the key turns so does the flywheel, an it sounds like it is turning over at the same speed as when it starts. but i'll bet ya my ears cannot detect a few rpm difference... you know, oldies rock, wood stock, playing guns, et all and along the way ya get in the habit of turning the key to the start position for the necessary brief moment an the chugada chugada begins. it is like muscle memory letting the key out of start position, i never have been one to grind on a starter for an extended time. if it don't start straight away, it gets fixed. . . . or sold i will look into that other stuff to fill out thanx for the prompt replys msj113

hi all thank you for being a beacon of hope in the realm of . . . well lets just say "stealerships" ok here's the deal. bout 3 months ago this here cummins decided to not start as happily as usual, 80k miles, all maintenance on schedule. normal start procedure, hit the key, roooma zoom zoom, or chugada chugada chugada, what ever your preffered description. now frequently, but not always, after a 5+ hour no run, it may take two -3-4-5 starter engages to get the fire lit, or not, it still occasionally fires on the first starter engage. a week ago started tracking ambient temp at start up, not sure yet, but reluctant start appears to be below 28f.... any experiences ya'll willing to share? questions i can look into? info for further diagnosis? one article i read said the contacts in the starter solenoid will fix it thanx msj113