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I was tight for an appointment. I always start whatever vehicle & let it idle while I set up GPS & fasten seatbelts... The Cirus just shut off. Refused to restart although it turned over fine. I grabbed my stuff, GPS, fired the CTD up & away I go. I was ON IT to make up time, so I'm sure I screwed up mpg. I hit WOT a few times & the low restriction exhaust definately is louder. I made it on time. I "old lady" drove the CTD on the way back to earn back some mpgs... I tried restarting the Cirus. It seemed like it wanted to start but really wasn't firing at all. About the third try, I got one cylinder to kick in & ran the rest of them into operating. I don't get it...Russ

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Will the on/off kep work on 97. I don't have a code reader.

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Will the on/off kep work on 97. I don't have a code reader.

It might but you going to get flash codes... The flash codes system will flash the check engine light. Basically count the fllash then pause count the flashes again... Then long pause. This would be 1 number... Always a double digit... The problem with this system is that its very general in diagnostics... I'll fing the codes and get a copy of them posted for you...
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What kind? Besides the 01 Dodge, 97 Cirus, Subaru Outback in the stable.Russ

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Waiting to see how you make out with ScanGuageII.Russ

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I'm going to start the Cirrus up... assuming it will... & let it run a bit. Start & stop it a few times... see if it recurrs before taking it out of the driveway.It has a full fuel tank as I filled it on my way home. I don't see how it could be water with all the alcohol they add these days. My fear is that it might be the intank fuel pump.Russ

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Very good chance it is a fuel issue...:wow: How about fuel filter? Remember you need Fuel, Air, and Ignition to make a engine run... So if you can check and see if the plugs are firing good and solid then it would have to fuel issue. I doubt highly there is a air or compression problem.

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Cirus would not start. I do suspect some type of a fuel issue. Still turns over fine. At some point I'm going to have it towed. I can't risk getting stranded. I got my CTD or wife's Subaru as she's out of town. (I have a very hard time getting into Subaru with my legs.)

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I agree most likely a fuel issue. I'm going to decide where I want it to go before I call AAA. I just filled the fuel tank & drove home, maybe bad fuel or filter needs changing. In the last month I replaced a rusted out transmission line, so maybe a fuel line failed too. Possibly a failed lift pump. "Alright gentlemen, place your bets!" I can just see the mag wheel sitting in the middle of a roulet table.Russ

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If it was a bad fuel line you would be smelling gasoline everywhere... (But you never said anything about smell) Bad fuel is possible... (Did you try to put diesel in it? :eek:) Bad fuel filter... Typically a bad fuel filter has some signs of failure happening like with heavy load or WOT operation it will fall on its face and get worse with time. Bad pump... Well that just like the Cummins... Iusually just drops dead and that's that... So if I'm a betting man I would have to say pump... Second choice would be filter...

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Well, pump is exactly what I'm afraid of. I got it running this morning.... eventually it caught. Dumb thing is it seems to run ok, once it catches... but then it's not under any load. I'm not about to drive it anywhere with out a chase vehicle. I'm not a believer in co-incidences... when I moved it into a less bothersome parking, the brakes just kind of mooshed to the floor before stopping it. It was not like that when I drove it into the yard. The brake fluid is indeed down quite a bit... more than half!? WTF??Russ

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Ummmm... Did you get a vacuum leak in the vacuum booster and loose your master cylinder too??? :wow: I've heard of tales of the vacuum booster failing and pull a vacuum on the master cylinder causing it to leak brake fluid into the manifold... Now if there is any truth in this I don't know... :confused:

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Happened on Friday the 13th, What do yas think?

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I had AAA tow the Cirus... it'll be in the shop til it's fixed. Russ

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The garage says the No Start & brake issues are not related, just coincidence. They say the rear brake lines have failed. The computer had no codes. They think the wet weather may have caused the no start issue. Replacing cap, rotor, plugs & wires is a PITA. I'm having the shop do it all & let Ma Mastercard worry about it later. I hope they are right, so I don't incurr additional expense... but I do not believe in coincidences. Russ

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This is going to set me back a grand anyhow... OUCH!! I asked for the mechanic to check the fuel pressure while the car was in the shop. That is an alturnative for No Start issues & if I'm going to have confidence in it, I need to know the lift pump is not playing games with me. Supposed to be working on it today... almost 6 so I guess it's not done. Russ

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