2002 Cummins start on stand?

[pbcomp]

Hello I'm new to site and did not search through the posts but found this site via YouTube from a Video called "24V VP44 Cummins Stand-alone rewire" 

I saved a couple Cummins Engines from 2 Bread Trucks my Buddy was scrapping and might have to make em run to sell them. If I was a little younger I might do something with these

because I like Black Smoke!

 

First engine I'm going to putz with to see how it runs is a 2002 ISB with 54 block. It has IP and Turbo and was told it runs from the mechanics who worked where this truck came from but still want to see blow by..etc It's missing stuff so don't to get into buying too much stuff. It's missing the lines going from the IP to the heads and kinda looked on eBay but they are pricey.

 

So I guess my question is do I have to have a ECU to start this thing stand alone? The video I watch from Troy L was super fast and said hook up 3 wires....blah blah blah and was scratching my head...lol 

 

Thanks in Advance! Roy in Wisconsin!

Edited July 13, 2017 by pbcomp

[jlbayes]

You do not. Hot wire the vp and it will start up and idle. Bluechip has a write up on how to do it.

[pbcomp]

Thanks for the reply! So assuming would need computer (ecu-ecm) a harness and TPS (which is also missing) to get it to go Vroom Vroom..

 

 

[trreed]

Correct.  The hotwiring Jacob is talking about only lets it idle, the ECM controls revving.

Also, it's gonna struggle to idle without those VP lines lol

[pbcomp]

I'm looking at some IP lines on FeeBay ...ATM. I think it will run! One of the guys stopped and said they had 5K in this engine and was not suppose to go with the vans that came in on the deal, but see no evidence of that engine being worked on besides the turbo looking OK and IP maybe being replaced....:)

Edited July 13, 2017 by pbcomp

[trreed]

If you can't find anything decent for lines on FleaBay, I've got a set in my living room. 

5k is a lot of work for those motors for appearing stock. Maybe a new VP and a new head?

[jlbayes]

5k is pretty easy to hit in medium/heavy duty world.

[pbcomp]

I would have to invest in a compression tester and that would tell the story I guess...I read through the stuff on the Blue Chip Diesel site and that looks easy enough but I know once I get it to started I'm going to get crazy and start ordering a harness and computer and APPS/TPS setup. These trucks have the APPS/TPS built in to the accelerator pedal so will have to buy a TPS assembly for a Dodge Truck...etc and start converting it over. It's a 54 Block so I have hopes...:) Thanks guys for the input.

 

The other engine is a 04 Common Rail with a score/chunk in the 2nd cylinder downstream. That one is complete as far as I can tell minus a few bolts maybe that rolled around when it got towed. It had it's head off already but was layed out like they were going to fix it but stopped. It's pulled out and on a pallet and all the pieces for it are all boxed up and labled. I might attempt a "Farmer Rebuild" on it and see how it goes. I do not think the engine will care if their is a .20 in that hole but who knows. Taking this stuff to get machined is expensive

Edited July 13, 2017 by pbcomp

[TFaoro]

15 hours ago, pbcomp said:

I would have to invest in a compression tester and that would tell the story I guess...I read through the stuff on the Blue Chip Diesel site and that looks easy enough but I know once I get it to started I'm going to get crazy and start ordering a harness and computer and APPS/TPS setup. These trucks have the APPS/TPS built in to the accelerator pedal so will have to buy a TPS assembly for a Dodge Truck...etc and start converting it over. It's a 54 Block so I have hopes...:) Thanks guys for the input.

I'm not sure about this application, but the Dodge ECM is NOT cheap.

Also the APPS is not built into the petal. It sits up on the front driver side of the head. That didn't change until 04.5 during the CR era.