enginestart I Cant Start My Engines!! Help Please

[Eliecerserrano]

Good afternoon everybody

i have 2 engines 

the first is a 1998.5 cummins 24vl w/o trasmission with harness

the secound is a 2000 cummins 24vl with trasnsmission  w/o harness 

 

both are on the ground im plannig to put in my 2003 ford f250 

my question is 

1: i can start the engine (2000) with the harness of the 1998.5?

2: i need the fuse box to start the engine?

3: the sensors need the connection to start the engine?

 

 

Remember......i dont have a fuse box

when i buy the guy say he need so i cant get 

 

i have some colors from the harness...in a video on youtube they say they can start the engine just with 6 cables from the harness to the possitive on the battery

 

green black 

orange black

brown white

 

red black

red white

red green

and this is the video 

Thanks in advance 

im from panama by the way so its really hard to find somebody who can deal with my engines

Edited December 30, 2017 by Eliecerserrano

[Mopar1973Man]

I moved you over to the Cummins Swaps forum... Hopefully, some of our Cummins swap nuts will come forward.

[Eliecerserrano]

ok thanks

[Mopar1973Man]

The best I can provide is that all sensors should be present and hooked up. Here is power distribution...

 

 

 

[Eliecerserrano]

oh thanks i think i can do a lot with that 

Edited December 30, 2017 by Eliecerserrano

[AH64ID]

1. Yes, but see #3

2. No, but you need to ensure everything’s properly fused with the Ford box. 

3. No, all the sensors need to be from the year of the ECM, and hooked up to run.  

[Eliecerserrano]

the ford fuse box is not with the engine just imagine i have the 2 engines with harness but i dont have fuse box i try many times to start  just with the 6 cables to the battery

 the fuel pump work and the vp44 click 

so that tell me maybe he is right..... the pump send diesel to the injectors but i feel i miss something like when you turn the key to start something like that 

i know i dont have any other cable from the inside 

[AH64ID]

Is the Ford fuse box installed? You should be able to tap into the OEM wiring harness for things like ECM and fuel pump power. 

 

Are all the pigtails from the harness connected to sensor on the engine? All the sensors are utilized but some are vital. 

[Eliecerserrano]

its not installed...yeah i have some of the wirings so tomorrow maybe i can do another trying

 

almost all the sensors are connected just the fuel filter have 2 but they are diferents

 

 

[Mopar1973Man]

As for starting these engines you'll need to reprime the fuel system which is most likely got air in the system. So bleed the fuel lines to the VP44 and crack open 1,3,4 injection lines and crank till fuel sprays good or just about starts. Tighten then fire it up. As long as the grid heaters are disconnected you could give it a "very very small spray" of starting fluid to help it along.

[Eliecerserrano]

yes i do that and it split on my head diesel so i know for sure the fuel pump work lol i just use a lil

bit of starting fluid and the engines sounds like is alive but when i stop spray it shut down

Edited December 30, 2017 by Eliecerserrano

[Mopar1973Man]

Still hard to tell, but are the injection line spray any fuel where you crack them open and crank?

[Eliecerserrano]

yes at the first trying just air and diesel then a lot of diesel come from the lines

[Mopar1973Man]

Little trick to bypass all the sensors, ECM and everything. Basically you want to supply power to the VP44 pump alone. It will start and idle only. 

 

https://www.bluechipdiesel.com/troubleshooting.html

[Eliecerserrano]

when i crank the return line just give me in about 1 min just like 10 drops

2 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Little trick to bypass all the sensors, ECM and everything. Basically you want to supply power to the VP44 pump alone. It will start and idle only. 

 

https://www.bluechipdiesel.com/troubleshooting.html

thank you for all your help i hope i can try tomorrow i let you know if this work now im going to read 

[Eliecerserrano]

well i try the best i can and nothing work maybe i should wait for a fuse box and connect the wires to try because the engine still crack but no run 

 

Edited January 5, 2018 by Eliecerserrano

[Mopar1973Man]

Are you sure the VP44 is good and functional?

[Eliecerserrano]

i have good news today i try to start the engine and yep its alive!!!

 

the cables on the harness to start are

red/green

red/white

tan/red

i connect the electric pump directly to the battery 

here is the video of the old engine tomorrow i try with the other engine 

WhatsApp Video 2018-01-05 at 1.57.06 PM.mp4

now i need to find the cables of the throttle pedal position because the gas pedal or the cable pedal dont work 

Edited January 6, 2018 by Eliecerserrano

[Eliecerserrano]

[Mopar1973Man]

This should help...

The APPS sensor wiring is there for ya...