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smokeythedodge    0
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anybody know what I would need to do to get the factory gauges in the cluster in my 01 to work with a 12 valve motor swapped into the truck instead of the 24 valve. :shrug:

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ISX    58
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They had the same gauges as you on the 1998 version so I think it reads it the same. Mike's IAT looks exactly the same as mine. I am wondering about everything else. I might take all the sensors out and take a pic and you can compare them to yours sometime tomorrow. They might even have the same connector :shrug:

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smokeythedodge    0
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They had the same gauges as you on the 1998 version so I think it reads it the same. Mike's IAT looks exactly the same as mine. I am wondering about everything else. I might take all the sensors out and take a pic and you can compare them to yours sometime tomorrow. They might even have the same connector :shrug:

On your truck, do you have the two bale connectors up by the cowl right above the valve cover? Any chance you got a picture of that? If you are right then I oughta be able to hook the 12 valve wire harness right up to the trucks harness, and I should have some if not all the gauges up and running.

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Mopar1973Man    3,653
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I would keep the 24V wiring knowing it works now. It just a matter of trading sensors from on engine to another...

Problem is that the ECM got to stay with the 12V too... :rolleyes:

ECM Inputs

•Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor (APPS) Volts

APPS Idle Validation Switches #1 and #2

•Battery voltage

•Camshaft Position Sensor (CMP)

CCD bus (+) circuits

CCD bus (-) circuits

•Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKP)

•Data link connection for DRB scan tool

•(FPCM) Fuel Injection Pump Control Module

•Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor

•Ground circuits

•Intake manifold Air Temperature (IAT) sensor

•Manifold Air Pressure Sensor (Boost Pressure Sensor)

•Oil pressure sensor

PCM

•Power Take Off (PTO)

•Power ground

•Sensor return

•Signal ground

•Water-In-Fuel (WIF) sensor

Red is missing sensors for the 12V

blue is the communication path for the gauges...

Because the ECM recieves the information then sends it up the CCD network Bus to the guage cluster to be shown on the gauges...

PCM is not use for gauges...:rolleyes:

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smokeythedodge    0
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I would keep the 24V wiring knowing it works now. It just a matter of trading sensors from on engine to another...

Problem is that the ECM got to stay with the 12V too... :rolleyes:

ECM Inputs

•Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor (APPS) Volts

APPS Idle Validation Switches #1 and #2

•Battery voltage

•Camshaft Position Sensor (CMP)

CCD bus (+) circuits

CCD bus (-) circuits

•Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKP)

•Data link connection for DRB scan tool

•(FPCM) Fuel Injection Pump Control Module

•Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor

•Ground circuits

•Intake manifold Air Temperature (IAT) sensor

•Manifold Air Pressure Sensor (Boost Pressure Sensor)

•Oil pressure sensor

PCM

•Power Take Off (PTO)

•Power ground

•Sensor return

•Signal ground

•Water-In-Fuel (WIF) sensor

Red is missing sensors for the 12V

blue is the communication path for the gauges...

Because the ECM recieves the information then sends it up the CCD network Bus to the guage cluster to be shown on the gauges...

PCM is not use for gauges...:rolleyes:

Excellent information, will be invaluable for future reference.

Ok. SO... What about getting the PCM from a 12 valve truck and just eliminating the one I got now, do you think it has the same plug-ins for the truck wire harness? Or would that not probably not work?

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ISX    58
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Not sure what you meant by bale so I took a few different pics.

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smokeythedodge    0
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Not sure what you meant by bale so I took a few different pics.

Ooooh man I appreciate it. Ok now that definitely is different than whats on this 01... Hmm.

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ISX    58
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Ooooh man I appreciate it. Ok now that definitely is different than whats on this 01... Hmm.

Get a pic of what yours looked like. I can't guarantee what you are seeing is right on mine. For one those grid heater lines are in the pic and they don't normally go like that.

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ISX    58
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What the hell is all that! :lol: I think I have one of those connectors, you can see it right under the red hose clamp. I have a few other connectors going to nothing around the engine. I'll trace them all out and show you tomorrow.

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smokeythedodge    0
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What the hell is all that! :lol: I think I have one of those connectors, you can see it right under the red hose clamp. I have a few other connectors going to nothing around the engine. I'll trace them all out and show you tomorrow.

hahaha big rats nest aint it. Lordy. Cool well if you get a chance, i'd appreciate any assistance. Surely there is a way to get this to work.

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ISX    58
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Heres what I got for everything that comes down to something on the engine or engine bay (not counting all the fuse panel crap on the side. I guess there is a battery temp sensor, cruise control wiring on the side too.

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I got pics of every single connection so let me know what you want to see.

As you can see I have a lot of dead connectors so maybe someone can tell me what they go to. I will add pics of all of them. There is also a connection on the top front of the nv4500 that one wire has come off of. It isn't the speed sensor so I have no idea what it is for.

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ISX    58
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That doesn't tell me what dead connectors are when I don't know what they ever went to :shrug:

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Mopar1973Man    3,653
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The part I'm not sure of is could a 12V PCM be used against the 24V electronics and still communicate? :shrug: If so then it would be a matter of changing over to a PCM module as well... But as for wire color and what pin they go to the wiring diagrams would be a good source of information.As for keeping the orignal ECM you could but remember you'll always have error codes for all the missing electronic sensors which won't mean much. But as long as the gauge are hooked up and working I don't see why bother with converting to a PCM. :shrug:Thinking out loud...

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The part I'm not sure of is could a 12V PCM be used against the 24V electronics and still communicate? :shrug: If so then it would be a matter of changing over to a PCM module as well... But as for wire color and what pin they go to the wiring diagrams would be a good source of information. As for keeping the orignal ECM you could but remember you'll always have error codes for all the missing electronic sensors which won't mean much. But as long as the gauge are hooked up and working I don't see why bother with converting to a PCM. :shrug: Thinking out loud...

Hey thanks for the help both of yall, ISX and mopar I appreciate it. Ok so I am wondering about the 98 model year pickups.... They had the 12 valve in some and the new dash and interior and stuff, so surely most of the dash harness and stuff is carry over you would think. I don't know... Hey what about a picture of the PCM on your 12 valve ISX? I will get a video of all my wiring and see if I can compare it to your 12 valves later on.

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ISX    58
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Fuse boxes are also a lot different. Figured I would get a pic of it. Not sure if the 98 has an updated fuse box, probably does.

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Mopar1973Man    3,653
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PCM's are basically the same plugs it the pin assignment I would watch closely... Like ISX has a different controller for the Cruise control compared to the late 24V which is fly by wire no vacuum.I don't know if there was other differences to be aware of... :shrug:

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ISX    58
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Does your "fly by wire" have the same connector as my worthless vacuum actuated one? Or is there any way to adapt it?

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Mopar1973Man    3,653
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Does your "fly by wire" have the same connector as my worthless vacuum actuated one? Or is there any way to adapt it?

The 2001 and 2002 are fly by wire and dont use the vacuum motor for throttle control once again these are thing you'll have to consider. So if you kept your stock ECM and use you old sensors you get to keep all the other features...

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ISX    58
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The 2001 and 2002 are fly by wire and dont use the vacuum motor for throttle control once again these are thing you'll have to consider. So if you kept your stock ECM and use you old sensors you get to keep all the other features...

I didn't ask if it had them I asked if I could adapt mine to use them... You know as well as I do the vacuum ones are slow to react and overall are just crap.

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smokeythedodge    0
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Fuse boxes are also a lot different. Figured I would get a pic of it. Not sure if the 98 has an updated fuse box, probably does.

Dude thanks a TON. Been busy today, haven't had a chance to get up to the barn to make a video going over all the wiring, but from the looks of it that 97 pcm will plug in.

My cruise already doesn't work because I put a 99 model truck's ECM on and didn't get it flashed. Mileage is stored in the PCM though, so this beast would have no way to keep track of that because the 12 valves are mechanical.... It don't matter to me though.

--- Update to the previous post...

Stopped by a junkyard this evening and scored. Found a SAE 2 transmission adapter for my motor 100 bucks. So now I can go with whatever SAE 2 bell tranny floats my boat or I still have the the 6 speed adapter should I go with a dodge manual tranny...

Anyway, back to this. This junkyard didn't have any dodge pickups, but I know of a good one i'll go to tomorrow and try to get the whole mess of wiring out a 12 valve truck. Got some pictures of the connectors.

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smokeythedodge    0
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Haven't forgot about this.......... I have the name and number of a guy I need to call that says he has put a 215 HP 1996 model 12 valve motor in his 2001 and ALL of his gauges work perfectly. Says it is EASY, but I am having a hard time getting ahold of him. I am currently trying to locate a decent 215 hp 12 valve engine... Looked at a couple and all I can say is thank god I pulled the vacuum pump off to investigate that oil leak on this one, it had a windowed block! Looked like the rod let go, but the guy replaced it and put it back together. Put a nice little piece of aluminum over the big hole, siliconed it and then painted it... He got REAL embarrassed when I discovered it... Anyway, will continue the search!

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Heavyd1980    1
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so this cat your trying to get ahold of said that all his gauges worked after installing a 12v without mods??? i would also like to know the answer to this since i am seriously considering building a 12v/24v crossbread for my 98.5!!!!

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smokeythedodge    0
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so this cat your trying to get ahold of said that all his gauges worked after installing a 12v without mods??? i would also like to know the answer to this since i am seriously considering building a 12v/24v crossbread for my 98.5!!!!

Supposedly... Said it is minimal modding, but still can be done pretty easily he said!! PM me if you want ill get you his number maybe he dont like answering my phone number hahaha

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