Raw Milk

[hex0rz]

So given that there are some here who are in the farming industry, how many here do any dairy?

Even if you are not a partaker in the dairy, do you have your own cow for personal dairy needs? If so, I would like to hear from you guys about your thoughts on raw milk!

Its obsurd to think that an average person does not give it a single or much thought about the process of reaching the final outcome for butter, cream, etc. But with the raw milk there is so much to be had from it! Many benefits to reap.

So, I have done quit a bit of research in understanding how it is we have come to the point that we are at today with the product that we call "milk".

Its sickening, IMO.

Does anyone else here partake in the real drink of the good stuff? My wife is lactose intolerant as native Americans a prone to being lactose intolerant. So, by researching how to remedy this problem she faces, we found a product called Lactase drops. They are extracted from raw milk into a concentrated liquid to help people with the intolerance.

It was not until later that I was quit able to grasp concept in how they were able to manufacture the drops. If you were to look up raw milk, you would then understand. We still buy her the drops as it serves purpose because she can't just make everything out of raw milk. Although, it would be better if we replaced store milk with raw milk instead. Problem is, raw milk is much spendier. It would be nice to own a dairy cow for personal use. It would also be nice if we could overcome the supposed problems that raw milk brings. The health benefits I think people could reap from it would far surpass the risk.

If you think about it, look at all these products in the refridgerated section that deal with people and their lactose intolerance. Its such a scam! For someone who is intolerant and wants milk, they would have to pay $12/gal!

Being here in WA for work, I'm not able to find anyone here locally that sells raw milk. Back at home in Sandpoint, we have some amish that sell raw milk at their health food store. Yea, its still $6.50 a gal. but we need some at the moment. Why you ask?

My wife was sick for a little over a week last week. So much so to the point I had to take her to urgent care as she was suffering dehydration because she was had it coming out both ends. We got IV fluids in her and brought her back. Any longer and she would have been in the hospital. She was overcome by a few diff. nasty germs as the doctor said.

He prescribed some antibiotics and some anti-nausea. Due to the strength of the antibiotics, we needed to get some probiotics in her to keep her from suffering more diarrhea. Contrary to what people think, yogurt really is not a great of solution as one would think. Why?

...pasteurization.

Raw milk is just that, raw. Except, here in WA, you can't buy this terrible stuff called raw milk. Its nowhere to be found, even in the strictest hippy liberal healthfood store!

Its a sad thing, to think that we have some much relugation to the point that milk in its most natural state cannot even be found on a market shelf. Because all in the name of safety it carries diseases!

Did anyone ever stop and think and wonder, how in the world did the people of before EVER manage to get the human race this far and yet still drink raw milk? It has been drank for thousands of years and yet suddenly, in the past couple hundred years, we suddenly see it something that is dangerous for our health!

You know what I think the real culprit with raw milk is? Industrialization!

Yea, sure with the advance of this great technology to give us the ability to drive costs down, to greater supply the population with the product everyone gets to drink milk. But at what expense?

I think that due to the idea of the concept of a City, we suffer from the rewards that are offered in working for ourselves. What do I mean? Think about it. When the demand is there for a product, shortcuts are taken. In the instance of milk, I think the problem with these illnesses caused by the consumption of raw milk is due to the fact that the one furnishing the milk from the cow did not take the proper precautions in being SANITARY.

When pastuerization came about people were suffering from so many illnesses they found out it was from the raw milk. But what the heck happened with that era? Why all the sudden were they coming down with these problems with drinking raw milk when it was just fine to drink before? Think about what the people did in the times of the black plague.

Sanitation went down hill...

If we could ever get people to realize that with proper handling and understanding what to expect from it and give it respect, we could understand that partaking in this drink is of more benefit, IMO, than risky.

Problem is, with the CITY, we increase the distance of the cow to the store shelf! Get rid of the concentration of people in one area and we would not overcome the problem with being able to drink a fine thing, but we would also be able to get rid of many other undesirable things as well!

Hope I'm not just talking crazy...

[diesel4life]

Break up the big cities and flood them out into the country side! That would be the closest thing to a zombie apocalypse we would ever see out here! I was very close with my cousin who was one year younger than I and spent alot of time growing up on my aunt and uncles dairy farm which happens to be the 2nd largest farm in the county. They have taken dairy farming to another level over the years with their motto of "quality first". They have received various awards from the Ohio State University in milk quality. They take dairy farming very seriously and one walk through their parlor will confirm it. Having said that, when we were younger they would occasionally let us pull a ladle out of the bulk tank and take a taste of the milk it was like a treat. Both my aunt and uncle grew up on dairy farms and they grew up drinking milk right out of the bulk tank as did their parents (my grand parents). I think the main concerns with un pasteurized milk is the potential of bacteria like ecoli, salmonela, etc that can potentially be in the milk. Then you have the possibility of unsanitary conditions at the farm and youve got the potential to infect hundreds if not thousands of people and its too much of a liability for the big retailers to risk. Locally around here its still pretty easy to get ahold of but then again there is a lot of dairy farms and alot of amish and being very rural "everybody knows everybody"

[CSM]

Raw no... Pasteurization is good. Neither me, nor my friends who worked in the infectious diseases department of the FDA will convinced otherwise! I have had raw milk, and it was good, but not worth the risk, or my families risk. Now, homogenization, that is another question entirely.ETA: I also grew up on a farm/ranch, had cattle, pushed cattle, and my family had multiple dairies through the 70s.

[Wild and Free]

Lactose intolerance does not exist in the real world of raw milk, lactose intolerance comes about due to pasturization because it kills all the good enzymes in the milk naturally to help break down the lactose.Most dairies are a thousand times cleaner than your operating rooms are at hospitals don't let any gov employee try and tell you differently. They are trying harder and harder to criminalize anyone selling raw milk accross the country, the most common way to get it is through what is called "cow shares" where you buy ownership into a cow on a dairy farm and collect the milk directly from that dairy.These laws came about during the depression after the 30's I believe before refridgeration when the time it took to deliver raw milk to final customers took too long and it became dirty and unsanitary and spoiled before refridgeration came about. Most milk contamination takes place after it leaves the farm. Modern refridgeration has taken 99% of the bad milk stories they try to scare you with out of the picture. I was breast few by my mother and once weaned from her we had a neighbor with dairy cows and had a 5 gallon bucket of raw milk in our fridge for years at least till I was about 12-13. This came directly from the bulk tank at our neighbors dairy. Never had an issue as did anyone else in the neighborhood over the years. Do a search and let us know how many stories of sick people you find who drink raw milk that have gotten sick from it, I follow these stories close and nobody including the government has found any modern cases of illness related to raw milk directly from the dairy farm to consumer with no middle man.

[hex0rz]

I think the main concerns with un pasteurized milk is the potential of bacteria like ecoli, salmonela, etc that can potentially be in the milk. Then you have the possibility of unsanitary conditions at the farm and youve got the potential to infect hundreds if not thousands of people and its too much of a liability for the big retailers to risk.

With that said, why is there a presence of such a bacteria? How would these bacteria get into the milk? Is it present inside the udder? My understanding is, No. It is not present IN the udder. Its present because of feces on the teets and udder. Udder not being washed and the equipment not kept clean... Another keyword is the mention of the big boys. Bingo. That IMO is where the shortcuts begin to take place. We need diversity in the marketplace. When we get too many big fish in the market choking the little guys out we are faced with these incidents of spinach being recalled because of e. coli.

Raw no... Pasteurization is good. Neither me, nor my friends who worked in the infectious diseases department of the FDA will convinced otherwise! I have had raw milk, and it was good, but not worth the risk, or my families risk. Now, homogenization, that is another question entirely. ETA: I also grew up on a farm/ranch, had cattle, pushed cattle, and my family had multiple dairies through the 70s.

I'm not very partial to the FDA from the get go, so its somewhat hard for me to care about them and their statements. Don't take that as an insult, its just how I feel. Homogenization is also another thing I should have brought up... Forgot about that one.

Lactose intolerance does not exist in the real world of raw milk, lactose intolerance comes about due to pasturization because it kills all the good enzymes in the milk naturally to help break down the lactose. Most dairies are a thousand times cleaner than your operating rooms are at hospitals don't let any gov employee try and tell you differently. They are trying harder and harder to criminalize anyone selling raw milk accross the country, the most common way to get it is through what is called "cow shares" where you buy ownership into a cow on a dairy farm and collect the milk directly from that dairy. These laws came about during the depression after the 30's I believe before refridgeration when the time it took to deliver raw milk to final customers took too long and it became dirty and unsanitary and spoiled before refridgeration came about. Most milk contamination takes place after it leaves the farm. Modern refridgeration has taken 99% of the bad milk stories they try to scare you with out of the picture. I was breast few by my mother and once weaned from her we had a neighbor with dairy cows and had a 5 gallon bucket of raw milk in our fridge for years at least till I was about 12-13. This came directly from the bulk tank at our neighbors dairy. Never had an issue as did anyone else in the neighborhood over the years. Do a search and let us know how many stories of sick people you find who drink raw milk that have gotten sick from it, I follow these stories close and nobody including the government has found any modern cases of illness related to raw milk directly from the dairy farm to consumer with no middle man.

You are right! People would never have to supplement their dairy intake through lactose free products or like the drops my wife takes to cancel this problem out! The enzyme is already their to combat the problem! We were very giddy over the fact that my wife could drink the raw milk without any ill side effects that pastuerized milk brings! I've thought about the cow share program. Some are offered here locally. Just have not considered it enough yet. Especially since they threw on some more responsibilities than I'm really comfortable investing in for a gallon of. I do believe there is an aspect of propoganda going on to scare people away from drinking raw milk. I have read articles that literally describe the night and day diff. between peoples health just by drinking raw milk compared to those who have not.

[Wild and Free]

The thing is homoginization is worse than pasturization. If raw milk sours you can use it for baking, or make buttermilk, or feed the pigs. But homoginized milk does not sour, it rots. It is absolutely terrible, I am not sure but it may be poison.It is all about the Subsidized dairy industry having price fixing happening and buy being able to go around the price fixing subsidies and buy raw milk you are cutting the troats of big dairy.Ever notice You can not use coupons to buy milk...........................In the words of the FDA and governmentYou will drink what you are told........................and like it!

[hex0rz]

The thing is homoginization is worse than pasturization. If raw milk sours you can use it for baking, or make buttermilk, or feed the pigs. But homoginized milk does not sour, it rots. It is absolutely terrible, I am not sure but it may be poison. It is all about the Subsidized dairy industry having price fixing happening and buy being able to go around the price fixing subsidies and buy raw milk you are cutting the troats of big dairy. Ever notice You can not use coupons to buy milk........................... In the words of the FDA and government You will drink what you are told........................and like it!

Why do you think everyone was in cahoots on both sides about the milk subsidy ending when the fiscal cliff deal was going down? The consumer was gonna have to bay $6-8 for a gallon of milk at the store and the big dairies were gonna get bled out. A double-edged sword. But something that we should have been cut by... I have read many sorts of things that are present in pastuerized milk. If it was not so, the milk would be poison! The process of big dairies is profound. Blood, pus, feces, stressed milk, antibiotics... I told the wife, we might as well put water in our cereal.

[Wild and Free]

Why do you think everyone was in cahoots on both sides about the milk subsidy ending when the fiscal cliff deal was going down? The consumer was gonna have to bay $6-8 for a gallon of milk at the store and the big dairies were gonna get bled out.

Exactly, government got involved and subsidized the big dairy and put the small dairy farms out of business by fixing the price so low the small guys couldn't compete anymore, so now if there would be any cutting of subsidies to the big bloated commercial dairies the price would have gone up due to lack of dairy supplys because they themselves put the small guys out of business. Let the natural markets control themselves, once government interveins on any industry it becomes bloated dependant and unsustainable without the subsidies. USDA certified Organic cow shares are the only option if available in your area for quality chemical and drug free products. I get raw milk from an organic dairy locally here as well a couple times a month. Wifes family is very holistic / all natural organic and have gotten me aboard over the last 15 years as well.

[CSM]

Oh nevermind. Happy trails!

[hex0rz]

Exactly, government got involved and subsidized the big dairy and put the small dairy farms out of business by fixing the price so low the small guys couldn't compete anymore, so now if there would be any cutting of subsidies to the big bloated commercial dairies the price would have gone up due to lack of dairy supplys because they themselves put the small guys out of business. Let the natural markets control themselves, once government interveins on any industry it becomes bloated dependant and unsustainable without the subsidies.

USDA certified Organic cow shares are the only option if available in your area for quality chemical and drug free products.

I get raw milk from an organic dairy locally here as well a couple times a month. Wifes family is very holistic / all natural organic and have gotten me aboard over the last 15 years as well.

Yea, I think they need to pull the farm subsidy away too... Sure, it may be a shock to the economy and food for a little but I think it would help re-stabilize things in the right way.

Although, the Organic milk you mention. Around here, I have looked on the jugs and they TOO say they are pastuerized!

I've only found this place to sell the RAW milk:

http://millerscountrystoresandpoint.com/

They get there milk from here:

http://www.springsofhoperanch.com/

From what I remember, I think the dairy is also a boys ranch program. So the troubled boys get to learn how to do the dairy thing. ALRIGHT! Free labor!

Oh nevermind. Happy trails!

I hope that this won't change your thoughts about me in a negative way...

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Take a look at this:

http://www.springsofhoperanch.com/Our-products.html

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&q=aspartame+in+milk&oq=aspartame+&gs_l=hp.1.1.0l4.3266.3266.1.4594.1.1.0.0.0.0.484.484.4-1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.9MnmbtR0i68&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&fp=25bc52d045581189&biw=1280&bih=598

http://raw-milk-facts.com/

http://www.realmilk.com/

[ISX]

Does raw milk fix lactose intolerance once you have it? I seemed to develop it slightly over the last year. It doesn't do much to me, but now my sister has it and apparently brings her to her knees. I just get lactaid milk and its fine. She takes the lactose pills and is fine, I think.

[hex0rz]

Lactase Drops ^You get about 300 drops on avg. per bottle. My wife takes about 5-8 on avg. depending on what she says and how much. You guys would be worlds ahead getting this instead. Because you can take it before having anything that contais dairy. Taking the pills or drinking the milk limits you and is expensive. Raw milk does not fix your intolerance. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance The older you get the less your body produces the enzyme to break down the sugars. Raw milk has the enzyme already present in the milk to break the milk down. Therefore a person that does not produce any eyzmes in their body can always have RAW milk. As the enzyme is already present. As an infant most babies produce the enzyme necessary to break down the mothers breast milk to digest it. As you get older the body slows that down as we no longer breast feed.

[ISX]

So technically it doesn't fix it because it contains the enzyme so its not even an issue? So she could drink raw milk and be fine?

[hex0rz]

So technically it doesn't fix it because it contains the enzyme so its not even an issue? So she could drink raw milk and be fine?

Yep! All the necessary enzymes needed to digest the milk are already in the milk! Your sister could literally drink a whole gallon of raw milk and never experience the slightest side affect of lactose intolerance. I used to take the lactase drops and put 40 drops in a gallon of milk for my wife and let it sit for 2 days. The enzymes would work through the milk and break it all down. Which therefore allowed me to make my own "lactaid" milk for a fraction of the cost. About $3/gal vs $12/gal.

[ISX]

Yep! All the necessary enzymes needed to digest the milk are already in the milk! Your sister could literally drink a whole gallon of raw milk and never experience the slightest side affect of lactose intolerance. .

WTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :banghead::banghead: Why are we drinking this other crap? She was almost in the ER because it hurts so bad.

[Wild and Free]

WTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :banghead::banghead: Why are we drinking this other crap? She was almost in the ER because it hurts so bad.

Aren't government regulations great!!!!!!!

Same goes with our entire medical system, all forms of cancer are naturally curable but the government has banned almost all natural remedies to keep the monetary system rolling. Once something has been classified as a disease only the medical cabal can treat this, this is why they have classified every single condition known to man as a disease now.

The biggest scams of all time is the brainwashing that goes into making people donate to "Research for cure" programs.

They keep looking for cures to curable diseases instead of looking at what causes them. Most diseases are Diet caused due to our overly processes and chemically infused GMO foods we have been surrounded with.

Lactose intolerance is just one example of how a processed food causes issues that do not occur naturally. The same goes for the Gluten issues as well, humans did not evolve eating a lot of grains in the first place but as time and GMO technology has progresses to breed even more Gluten proteins into grains it becomes a problem for our digestive system then they take the Gluten and add it to many many other food products that naturally wouldn't have it. Gluten is much like lactose in milk the body treats it like a form of sugar it can't break down.

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http://www.naturalnews.com/index.html

[ISX]

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I thought you guys were a buncha conspirators haha. Then you get down to something that actually applies to me and completely erase the lactose issue entirely and its like huh, they are right and the government is the one making these statements look like BS conspiracies. So thanks for hitting something home for me. I can't go without milk

[hex0rz]

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I thought you guys were a buncha conspirators haha. Then you get down to something that actually applies to me and completely erase the lactose issue entirely and its like huh, they are right and the government is the one making these statements look like BS conspiracies. So thanks for hitting something home for me. I can't go without milk

...go figure! Isn't it to finally start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel? Which pill do you want? RED or BLUE

[ABennin]

Blue pill please, as long as it is not a suppository(probably is since that's the only way the government knows how). Raw milk is good. I have had it countless times in my cereal. I also like pasturization. It takes care of one problem but creates another. Seems that happens with everything. My sister who works at a hospital lab always tells me I have a good immune system because of working on the farm. And those people who are not exposed to germs and bacteria don't have their immune system built up. So they would have a higher a chance than me of getting sick from raw milk. I work between two farms. On the main one I milk cows and I prep them for milking. No matter much you try you will never get them totally clean. The BC of the bulk tank is normally under 10,000 with a limit of 100,000. Some times you can go for a couple weeks with no units getting kicked off and then it can 5 times in a milking. That is when we see a spike in the tank. As for bacteria in the udder. What about mastitis and SCC counts. A cow will always have a SCC count which means she's fighting off infections. We average around 100-150k SCC. Last week we had a cow with a 5.6 million cell count with no visible signs of mastitis. She is currently treated and the milk is thrown out. She has always been high but not this high. The milk company is very good about paying for tests on samples we send with the route driver. We work very hard to get the cell count down. They want low SCC/BC milk with good components for their cheese and we do too because it affects the premiums. Now they(cheese plant) have self-imposed SCC limit of 400k even though the state is at 750k. This way they can sell to Europe, where the limit is 400 and get $75 a pound for some their specialty cheese's. So I think raw milk is fine for those people who have healthly immune systems. A number of years ago I was in St Louis for a PAS(Post secondary Agriculture Students)conference and someone in the hotel lobby asked about the conference. I was with a couple classmates and not far in too it they asked "what do you do with the antibiotic milk?" Shawn replied with "we give it to the innercity kids, they need all the help they can get." They believed it before we told them the truth. Also kind of off subject I do not know why people have such a stigma about 2% or whole milk being too fatty. Think about it, it is 98% fat free .