Sorry guys, I know it's been like a broken record, but now that some time gone by has anybody got comments on using newer stuff with less zinc and phosphor on older engines. I've been running amsoil (1400 ppm zink) for few years now and don't have any problems with it other than price and the way you got to get it if you want a half a.. deal on it. Plus I don't put enough miles on it a year to justify it anymore. Called Cummins and they use Valvoline Premium Blue in just about anything and it replaces all of the older stuff. Guy said it had 1200 ppm of zinc in it and was plenty for flat tappets, price at cummins was $14.50 a gallon. Then I called Delo and talked with their support guy and was told that their Delo 400le 15w40 is one of the best and they have billions of miles to prove it. Zinc was 1300 ppm, and price is $29 for 2.5gal at Walmart. I hear some guys run ether oil and put some zddp additive also, but not sure if it's even needed if both places told me their oil is fine the way it is. I was thinking I can still run amsoil bypass filter and change it once every 2 years and use fleet guard LF16035 for full flow. Also there is a fleet guard LF9028 that has full flow and bypass in one if I decide to get rid of amsoil bypass. Let the steam roll. Thank you all.

Edited September 22, 20159 yr by Dieselfuture

I see CI-4 blends but labeled as CJ-4.

The Mobil MX oil is accurate for the CI-4 spec.

 

That's the problem. CI-4 ash with a CJ spec... that could lead to $$$ for the oil company in plugged DPF's.

That's the problem. CI-4 ash with a CJ spec... that could lead to $$$ for the oil company in plugged DPF's.

Not sure if I mentioned this but they run it in everything except newer generators and equipment that has DPF.

That's the problem. CI-4 ash with a CJ spec... that could lead to $$$ for the oil company in plugged DPF's.

Its a highlighter mark so the sales reps may have made a mistake.

Not sure if I mentioned this but they run it in everything except newer generators and equipment that has DPF.

They know it's CI-4 oil.

Not sure if I mentioned this but they run it in everything except newer generators and equipment that has DPF.

 

 

Its a highlighter mark so the sales reps may have made a mistake.

 

 

They crossed off the CJ-4, but all the specs below indicate CJ-4. That's not a sales rep mistake, unless the sales rep mistake was the Mobil data sheet cross reference.

They know it's CI-4 oil.

If that's the case then that's what I've been looking for to run in my truck, cheap and has good zink, phosphate and TBN, the only thing is TAN but maybe it does go down after a while, I'll make sure to let you guys know.

They crossed off the CJ-4, but all the specs below indicate CJ-4. That's not a sales rep mistake, unless the sales rep mistake was the Mobil data sheet cross reference.

It may look like a highlighter but in fact it's identical on all labels, to me it looks like they screwed up printing them and before striking it on buckets ran them through printer again with cj4 crossed off.

They know it's CI-4 oil.

 

Which is probably true, but why does it have a CJ-4 spec on the label?

 

 

 

It may look like a highlighter but in fact it's identical on all labels, to me it looks like they screwed up printing them and before striking it on buckets ran them through printer again with cj4 crossed off.

 

That's not the only place it says it meets CJ-4 thou. Each one of the manufacturer specific requirements listed below is CJ-4 oil and that is a bit more than a quick typo.

So long story short wold you guys use it in your truck?

Which is probably true, but why does it have a CJ-4 spec on the label?

That's not the only place it says it meets CJ-4 thou. Each one of the manufacturer specific requirements listed below is CJ-4 oil and that is a bit more than a quick typo.

The TBN is too high to be CJ-4 as is the values of zinc and phosphorus. I'm comparing it on a chart. I will double check the values to be certain.

They crossed off the CJ-4, but all the specs below indicate CJ-4. That's not a sales rep mistake, unless the sales rep mistake was the Mobil data sheet cross reference.

So what spec are you looking at when determine what it is, I just want to know this for future.

Ok the maximum allowable phosphorus for CJ-4 is 1250 and .800 for sulphated ash. If it is Mobile MX then it is CI-4. I think they lied to you to make a sale.

Nothing is adding up.

So long story short wold you guys use it in your truck?

 

If I wanted a cheap dino oil then sure.

 

So what spec are you looking at when determine what it is, I just want to know this for future.

 

Cummins CES 20081 is CJ-4

Cat ECF-3 is CJ-4

Detroit 93K218 is CJ-4

etc..

So what spec are you looking at when determine what it is, I just want to know this for future.

The biggest and most obvious is the sulfated ash levels. If it is higher than .800 percent 800 PPM it's not CJ-4 oil.

The next is the phosphorus limit which is 1250 PPM maximum allowable for CJ-4 any higher it will be CI-4 oil.

The oil in question is not Mobil 1 MX. I'm almost certain of that nor is it CAT specific oil.

Edited September 30, 20159 yr by Vais01

Ok the maximum allowable phosphorus for CJ-4 is 1250 and .800 for sulphated ash. If it is Mobile MX then it is CI-4. I think they lied to you to make a sale.

Nothing is adding up.

I wanted to get ci4 and they said that it was ci4, and also said don't mind the label that has cj4 highlighted out it was a mistake, and that it is basically Mobil MX oil slightly tweaked to their spec. But like AH64ID said it also says that it's cj4 oil.

If I wanted a cheap dino oil then sure.

Cummins CES 20081 is CJ-4

Cat ECF-3 is CJ-4

Detroit 93K218 is CJ-4

etc..

Correct. As Dieselfuture stated they said for non DPF engines. According to the CAT dealer he went to. My gut says something is screwy.

If I wanted a cheap dino oil then sure.

 

 

Cummins CES 20081 is CJ-4

Cat ECF-3 is CJ-4

Detroit 93K218 is CJ-4

etc..

In your opinion is valvoline blue, rotella or Mobil a cheap Dino? Or is it just this oil we're discussing.

In your opinion is valvoline blue, rotella or Mobil a cheap Dino? Or is it just this oil we're discussing.

Cheap and available is Shell Rotella and Chevron Delo.

I would use Rotella over Delo but that's just my preference. Valvoline Blue is not as easy to find in my neck of the woods and usually runs 3 to 4 dollars more per gallon.

When my  motor was rebuilt I used Premium Blue for the first 3 oil changes as cheap oil. I picked it up on sale cheaper than Delo.

Cheap and available is Shell Rotella and Chevron Delo.

I would use Rotella over Delo but that's just my preference. Valvoline Blue is not as easy to find in my neck of the woods and usually runs 3 to 4 dollars more per gallon.

See thing is these are all cj4 oils and I was told older ci4 oils had better additives for lubricity and whatever else, so that's why I kind of started this thread as some one mentioned that CAT still sells good ci4 oil and price is $12 a gallon vs $27 a gallon for Amsoil, I'm willing to get Valvoline Blue for $15 a gallon if it's better than this Cat oil I've been trying to figure out. I don't care about saving 2-3 bucks a gallon as long as I don't ruin my engine.