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I have heard a lot of rumors about what the dealer can activate with the Star scan tool through the CAN BUS system.  I'd like to hear from people that have actually had some features turned on, not from a guy you know or what not.  Actual experiences, share your year and what you had done.  Some things I've heard (I know some of these are true)  High idle, accessory power delay after ignition is turned off before the door is opened, changing the vehicle location to Canada will turn on daytime running lights, activating the trailer lights through the factory trailer hookup.  I would like for this to be an easy place to gather information if someone that wants a feature activated by their stealership and is getting pushback, or maybe just a place to learn about what is available in your vehicle. 

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no first hand use here, but I know the star scan on the vp trucks can act in the same way as a DBRIII tool.  Effectively lets you test anything that is controlled by a computer.

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On the common rail truck they have TIPM (Totally Integrated Power Module) which controls a lot of different things on the truck. The best person I can say to talk to is @Chris O. since he's the site CCD Network guru. I know that Common rail trucks run a totally different network but the principal is still the same just more features and options to play with. 

 

No first hand knowledge here either... Sorry.

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7 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

On the common rail truck they have TIPM (Totally Integrated Power Module) which controls a lot of different things on the truck. The best person I can say to talk to is @Chris O. since he's the site CCD Network guru. I know that Common rail trucks run a totally different network but the principal is still the same just more features and options to play with. 

 

No first hand knowledge here either... Sorry.

YES! In 2006 Chrysler as a whole, not just their Ram line of trucks, went to the TIPM and have been using it ever since. This is why I won’t get rid of my 05’, best of both worlds with the cp3 CR and regular style fuse box. The TIPM is different than the CAN BUS system which is the style of ECU protocol that Chrysler uses. The TIPM functions everything that a normal relay box would but uses a circuit board with integrated relays to control circuits. This is my level of knowledge in both the CAN BUS and TIPM systems, 

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I've got few things for 3rd gen Dodge Rams if you are willing to mess with PCI bus (J1850 VPW).

FCM / IPM, INTEGRATED POWER MODULE

Lamp Outage: J1850; xmit: 54-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x800039f0
Low Washer Fluid: J1850; xmit: 54-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x800039f4
Low Brake Fluid: J1850; xmit: 54-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80005857
FCM_COUNTRY_CODE: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-28-02-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006149
FCM_DRL_ENABLED_STATUS: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-28-0D-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000614a
FCM_DRL_BEAM_SELECT: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-28-69-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000614b
WIPER PARK SW: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-36-03-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006237
BACK UP SW: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-36-0E-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006238
WASH FLUID LEV SW: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-32-18-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006239
BATTERY VOLTS: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-32-46-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000623a
AMBIENT TEMP VOLTS: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-32-26-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000623b
ALL RELAYS OFF: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-06-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000623d
FOG LAMP RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-06-02; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000623e
PARK LAMP RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-06-04; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000623f
WIPER ON RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-08-01; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006240
HORN RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-0D-01; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006242
WASHER MTR: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-23-01; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006243
L TRAILER RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-28-02; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006244
R TRAILER RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-28-04; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006245
ADJ PEDAL: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-28-08; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006246
R STOP LAMP: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-2B-04; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006247
L STOP LAMP: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-2B-08; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006248
FRONT R TURN LAMP: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-03-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006249
REAR L TURN LAMP: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-07-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000624a
REAR R TURN LAMP: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-08-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000624b
R LOW BEAM: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-09-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000624c
L LOW BEAM: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-0A-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000624d
R HIGH BEAM: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-05-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000624e
L HIGH BEAM: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-06-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000624f
WIPER HI-LOW RLY: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-38-08-02; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006250
FRONT L TURN LAMP: J1850; xmit: 24-40-2F-3A-04-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006251
Change Country Code: P155; xmit: 00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006694
Enable DRL: P155; xmit: 00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006695
FCM Body Style DR: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-28-00-00-00-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006698
FCM_PART_NUM14_DR: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-20-00-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000669a
PFCMDTCCLEAR: J1850; xmit: 24-40-14-FF-00-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006700
BATTERY VOLTAGE: J1850; xmit: C0-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006968
COOLANT TEMP: J1850; xmit: C0-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006969
ENGINE LAMP RQ: J1850; xmit: B0-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000696a
ENGINE LAMP STATUS: J1850; xmit: 2D-10-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000696b
ENGINE RPM: J1850; xmit: 10-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000696c
FUEL TANK LEVEL: J1850; xmit: A4-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000696d
IGN STATE: J1850; xmit: 5B-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000696e
KEY IN IGN: J1850; xmit: 5B-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000696f
SC OVERRIDE: J1850; xmit: 35-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006970
VEHICLE SPEED: J1850; xmit: 10-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006971
A/C CLUTCH DISABLED: J1850; xmit: 35-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006972
CRUISE ENGAGED: J1850; xmit: 35-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006973
DRV DOOR AJAR SW: J1850; xmit: 5B-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006974
IOD FUSE: J1850; xmit: 5B-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006975
OK TO LOCK DOORS: J1850; xmit: 35-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006976
PASS DOOR AJAR SW: J1850; xmit: 5B-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006977
FRONT FOG LAMPS: J1850; xmit: 60-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006978
HEAD LAMPS: J1850; xmit: 60-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006979
PARK LAMPS: J1850; xmit: 60-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000697a
FRONT WASHER SW: J1850; xmit: 6A-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000697b
FRONT WIPER HI: J1850; xmit: 6A-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000697c
FRONT WIPER LOW: J1850; xmit: 6A-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000697d
I WIPE DELAY: J1850; xmit: 6A-00-FF; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000697e
FCM Combined stop and turn: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-28-4A-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006f49
Comb R Stop and Turn Lamps: P155; xmit: 00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x80006f4a
Read DTCs: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-2F-00-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000707a
Read DTCs: J1850; xmit: 24-40-22-2F-01-00; sc: FCM / IPM; 0x8000707b

 

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Chris O.,

Thanks for chiming in and dropping some knowledge, but that's way above my skill level.  I don't even know what to do with that info.  I can only assume these are functions that the IPM can and does control.  Which would only be a 2006 and newer truck.

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2 hours ago, ecurnes8888 said:

Which would only be a 2006 and newer truck.

Sorry but you got this a bit wrong.

 

Class B, ISO 9141, SCP, Class 2, and KWP2000 all were allowed methods of powertrain communication under OBD II until 2008, at which time controller area network (CAN) became the mandated protocol for emissions-related modules.

 

History:

The (CCD) bus - mid-1980s to 2002

baud rate of 7.8125 kbps.

All Dodge RAM VANs and PICKUPs,  Including 2ND GEN 24 valve pickup trucks.

Chrysler first introduced their Chrysler Collision Detection network (CCD) in the mid-1980s. Although the CCD network worked well and was reliable, it didn’t meet the new mandate set out by the S.A.E. In order to accomplish this, a faster network was required.

 

The (PCI) bus (J1850 VPW) - 2003 All Chrysler vehicles up to 2007 or 8.

1st was 1998 DODGE INTREPID, by 2003 All Chrysler vehicles models Including 3ND GEN RAM pickup trucks.

NOTE: (2001 3ND GEN RAM 1500 GAS ENGINE ONLY (PCI) bus)

Beginning in the mid 1990s the Chrysler Programmable Communication Interface (PCI) bus network was introduced. There were several advantages to this system over the previous CCD bus network such as; the transfer rate of information is quicker; reprogramming of modules over the bus network now possible; single wire outlay using a central module or diagnostic junction port, for easier system diagnostics.

 

The (CAN) 2008 + All domestic and foreign vehicle manufacturers, ISO 15765-4.3:2001 CAN became the mandated protocol.

Following in 2004, Chrysler again replaced their communication network. With the introduction of a new mandated protocol, they began using a Controller Area Network. This network came in 3 forms: CAN-B, CAN-C, and CAN-C diagnostic.

CAN-B network has an operating speed of 83.3 kbps.

CAN-C bus has a baud rate of 500 kbps, giving it a near real time transfer rate. 

CAN-C diagnostic bus is a separate circuit operating at 500 kbps.

Beginning in 2004 with the redesigned Dodge Durango, Chrysler began implementing the use of the Controller Area Network protocol and bus standard.

 

Ok

I'm not sure in what year the switch happened to CAN bus on Dodge ram pickup trucks but my best guess is 2006 the Facelift? 

The Dodge Ram was updated for the 2006 model year. One notable addition was the "Mega Cab"

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1 hour ago, Chris O. said:

 

Ok

I'm not sure in what year the switch happened to CAN bus on Dodge ram pickup trucks but my best guess is 2006 the Facelift? 

 

:thanks: First, thank you for the knowledge, I'm ok with being wrong. I don't know everything.  But I do know that the IPM was introduced in 2006 and it seems like you are also agreeing with that. 

 

  You are saying that your earlier post, where you listed all the different "parameters" (I don't know what to call those) are for J1850 VPW (2003-2007)?

  But right at the top of the list, it says FPW/IPW Integrated Power Module and every single one of those items says IPM in it, which means that would not refer to anything before 2006. Just seems like this is something for 2006+ to me, but again I don't know a lot about this area I am trying to learn. 

  Also just as I stated at the begging all of our trucks (3rd gen section here) run off of a CAN interface I can only assume that it's a different protocol than that used in the newer (2006+) IPM trucks.

 

  Your last post is also sorta hard to follow first you say that "The (PCI) bus (J1850 VPW) - 2003 All Chrysler vehicles up to 2007 or 8.", "Beginning in the mid 1990s the Chrysler Programmable Communication Interface (PCI) bus network was introduced." 

then you say "The (CAN) 2008 + All domestic and foreign vehicle manufacturers, ISO 15765-4.3:2001 CAN became the mandated protocol.",

which would make sense except for this next part "Following in 2004, Chrysler again replaced their communication network. With the introduction of a new mandated protocol, they began using a Controller Area Network. This network came in 3 forms: CAN-B, CAN-C, and CAN-C diagnostic."

"Beginning in 2004 with the redesigned Dodge Durango, Chrysler began implementing the use of the Controller Area Network protocol and bus standard."

Which to me reads that PCI was introduced in the mid 90's, but then you say it was from 2003-2007, then you say that CAN took over in 2004. So was 2006 a new/different version of CAN Bus?

Again I really I'm in new territory, and here to learn.  I just want to make sense of it.  Also, this is all way off topic.

 

 

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21 hours ago, ecurnes8888 said:

Also just as I stated at the begging all of our trucks (3rd gen section here) run off of a CAN interface I can only assume that it's a different protocol than that used in the newer (2006+) IPM trucks.

Sorry for the confusion, extremely busy.

 

2003 to 2005, All DODGE RAM pickup trucks = (PCI) bus (J1850 VPW).

NOTE: (2001 3ND GEN RAM 1500 GAS ENGINE ONLY = (PCI) bus (J1850 VPW).

2006+, All DODGE RAM pickup trucks = (CAN) bus (Controller Area Network).

 

I recommend reading this for more info:

Training BODY ELECTRICAL SPECIALIST VEHICLE COMMUNICATIONS – CHRYSLER

http://www.carsondemand.com/IDLdocuments/Learning Guide/4450-t9r0k5io6vxazm80x5ire9zj4.pdf

 

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On 12/15/2017 at 6:41 PM, Chris O. said:

Sorry for the confusion, extremely busy.

 

2003 to 2005, All DODGE RAM pickup trucks = (PCI) bus (J1850 VPW).

NOTE: (2001 3ND GEN RAM 1500 GAS ENGINE ONLY = (PCI) bus (J1850 VPW).

2006+, All DODGE RAM pickup trucks = (CAN) bus (Controller Area Network).

 

I recommend reading this for more info:

Training BODY ELECTRICAL SPECIALIST VEHICLE COMMUNICATIONS – CHRYSLER

http://www.carsondemand.com/IDLdocuments/Learning Guide/4450-t9r0k5io6vxazm80x5ire9zj4.pdf

 

Thanks for clearing it up!! Mud is much more clear.

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