Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

Yep, 

 

HOWEVER,

 

THEY DO NOT PLAY WELL TOGETHER.  lol if you have OEM high idle enabled DO NOT use the Quads High idle.  It will make the truck angry.

19 hours ago, TFaoro said:

So the quad is touching it while the tps is at 0. That would explain the hard knocking I was telling you about. Maybe you need to make sure the quad doesn't touch the truck when tps is 0 and speed <35 (or whatever cruise can be set at)

That hard knock happens to me, but only when i leave warmup mode on.  I have a video of it if you'd like.  With warmup mode off the truck behaves as it should

Ok WTH is going on here? Hard knocking is occurring when warm up mode is on ? @TFaoro AND when the switch is turned to 3 cal high idle. (Now I'm fully aware that the moparman switch has zero to do with this issue) I don't understand, because doesn't warmup mode just keep you from inadvertently ruining something when the engine is cold? Just like the Edge.... so how would warmup mode affect anything? lol ?

 

Since I've enabled high idle via Smarty that I rented from DAP, I use it every time I warm up my truck (today was 1st day with high temp above 35* @ my place) and I do hear the louder than normal knocking. I just chalked it up to high timing when cold and timing lowering the warmer the engine gets. That's what I've observed. 

Edited March 11, 20178 yr by crf450ish

Well I know what is causing the fuel altering at idle,  I am goin gto disable and get it to you guys to try out.  this means however that the Quad will no longer use the 0psi setting for driving during warmup mode, you will get OEM fuel.

2 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Yep, 

 

HOWEVER,

 

THEY DO NOT PLAY WELL TOGETHER.  lol if you have OEM high idle enabled DO NOT use the Quads High idle.  It will make the truck angry.

Wait, what?!?!? The quad has its own high idle? And it fights the factory high idle I just enabled a month ago?

There's a switch that is turned on in the quad in the setting menu called " high idle"    If you have factory high idle you leave the Quads high idle off, if you don't have factory high idle then you can leave the quad high idle on.  

4 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

There's a switch that is turned on in the quad in the setting menu called " high idle"    If you have factory high idle you leave the Quads high idle off, if you don't have factory high idle then you can leave the quad high idle on.  

You mean high idle delay?

Yep that is also a trigger for high idle enable.  

 

you only have an issue if you have 3 cyl kick in while the quad is asking for high idle.  What happens is the ecm asks for a 0 coomand every other time so the Quad sees that and 0 * what hte quad wants  = 0 so the engine shuts off.

 

just don't use them together, OEM high idle is better so just leave the Quads disabled. 

Edited March 11, 20178 yr by Me78569

Got it. 

I went out and loaded a V1 tune, and ran the truck on 3cyl mode, same temp as the current v2 tune.  I am getting good temp in 6 cyl mode.  I am honestly not sure whats up..if anything.  

 

I re-reverted the code back to have the 0 psi setting if in warmup if your 0 psi setting i sbelow 0. 

 

I am not sure if there is actually a true issue, or if the act of testing warms up the engine enough to make 3 cyl mode cooler?  I dunno I am confused, but V1 tunes act in the same manner.  

 

Whihc is a good thing because I was struggling ot see how it was possible that the Quad was doing anything at idle in warmup mode.  


Onto hard knock issue now. I went out and turned warmup on and off and idle sound was the same.  Treed post up a video.

So the hard knock.

 

How the Quad Handles timing when cold, thanks to @tfaoro

 

So if Coolant is under 120* you get oem timing, no if's and's or but's.  Even if warmup mode is disabled, you will still get oem timing until 120* ECT.  

 

So if you have warmup mode enabled, say 150*, OEM timing is used until 150* is reached then quad timing is reached. 

 

Keep in mind that you will hear a VERY distint change in "engine knock" when warmup mode disables.   If coolant is over 120* and you disable warmup mode, again you will hear a very distint change.  

 

So what we need to know is if engine noise changes if you disable warmup mode while ect's are below 120*.  Engine noise should not change. It doesn't for me, just tested it.  

 

Please let me know if you hear a difference by disabling warmup mode when ect's are cold.

I tested it too, as you know @Me78569, and I did not have any change in engine noise when ECT's were below 120*, with both warmup mode on and off.  From 120* to the 150* that my warmup mode is set to, I had a distinct knocking sound, predominately at idle, that went away as soon as 150* was reached.

digging as we speak

Have fun!  Bring plenty of scotch lol.

I think you might be worse than @TFaoro  lol what did I get myself into 

Edited March 11, 20178 yr by Me78569

What can I say? I learned from the best! Isn't that right, @TFaoro?

@trreed

 

What are the odds you can get a data log of this?  I am looking through my logs of warmup and I am seeing nothing "jumping" at the 120* mark to point me in a direction.

 

i'm gonna try tomorrow to get a log of this, but I am not hopeful that my truck does did.

I will do my best to get logs of my warmup tomorrow, but sometimes logs take days to get to my email.... damn apple products.

2 days is better than never

Teaching my boy well! Hopefully I didn't teach him how to shell a VP  

Good luck @Me78569! I'm not done with you yet though   There's always something brewing. 

I need a data log to confirm, but I think I might see whats happening...why is a completely different question, but at least I have a line in the code to look at.