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Crank seal & timing gear cover gasket install

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For any one here that has or had or will have a leaking CRANK SEAL or Timing gear Cover...check out the link below..."hope it works" LOL. I installed mine a while back and took plenty of photos incase any body else had to do this, it might make it easier...

http://s1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/rburks1/Crank%20seal%20install/

SLIDESHOW VIEW

http://s1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/rburks1/Crank%20seal%20install/?albumview=slideshow

Richie

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For any one here that has or had or will have a leaking CRANK SEAL or Timing gear Cover...check out the link below..."hope it works" LOL. I installed mine a while back and took plenty of photos incase any body else had to do this, it might make it easier...

http://s1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/rburks1/Crank%20seal%20install/

Richie

I apologize Guys.. the photos are not any order like from start to finish...i tried to do this 3-times and thought i had them arranged that way but after i posted the link and clicked on it i see they are in random order:banghead::cookoo:

Richie

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    nice slide show sir..i see that it is still green out there...wow...leaves have been gone over here for awhile.

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    nice slide show sir..i see that it is still green out there...wow...leaves have been gone over here for awhile.

    HA....yeah i done this about 3-months ago...just now getting around to posting the pictures and write-up..been busy...and having trouble uploading them to the site.. Richie:thumbup2:
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    Like I said on the chat the other night... That a awesome write up of the crank seal and gear cover... Well done!:thumbup2:

    Oh yeah... Did you check your KDP? :shrug:

    Yeah..look at the photo of the gearcase with timing cover removed

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    Yeah..look at the photo of the gearcase with timing cover removed

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    Michael..am i right in thinking this is the updated case..by updated i mean post KDP problem

    P/S thank you for your comments about the crank seal install thread...Im glad to finally contribute something..:lol:

    Richie

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    Dang... :banghead:

    I was trying to get his goat going... And it didn't work... :cry:

    Well at least your paying attention to details... :thumbup2:

    HA..HA.. you made me think about it enough to go back and look anyway...."I thought O sh$$t, Dang.. i thought i covered that:lmao2::lmao:

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    GUYS..i have the part# for the seal kit from cummins...just have to find it :lol: ...i will try to remember to dig it up and post it today

    Richie:thumbup2:

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    GUYS..i have the part# for the seal kit from cummins...just have to find it :lol: ...i will try to remember to dig it up and post it today

    HERE IS THE CUMMINS PART# FOR THE CRANK SEAL KIT:

    cummins crank seal kit.....#3802820...price around 105.00 from Cummins

    Richie

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    HERE IS THE CUMMINS PART# FOR THE CRANK SEAL KIT:

    cummins crank seal kit.....#3802820...price around 105.00 from Cummins

    Richie

    Whow......When i done mine about 5-months ago I payed well 118.00 dollars for the very same kit from SCHEID Diesel....found the very same kit this morning for.. 89.00 ...check out the links below

    http://www.puredieselpower.com/catalog/9498-cummins-valve-front-crank-seal-with-speedy-sleeve-p-2847.html

    http://www.dieselstorm.com/9498-cummins-12-valve-front-crank-seal-with-speedy-sleeve-p-230.html

    Richie

    Michael..am i right in thinking this is the updated case..by updated i mean post KDP problem i have heard of SOME but not many people having KDP issues through 01 and i beleive i have even heard of a few 02 trucks having KDP syndrome (i have an 01 and have been procrastinating looking into fixing mine, i think i'll break down this week end and fix 'er up) i think everyone with a 2nd gen cummins has to worry about this. correct me if im wrong, but dodge tried to fix this problem by side punching the pin or pressing it in a little tighter or something, but never actually took the time to put in a viable means of retaining the dowel pin like a set screw or even a tack weld should work well.....? regardless, nice post, thanks for the pics!!:thumb1:

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    i have heard of SOME but not many people having KDP issues through 01 and i beleive i have even heard of a few 02 trucks having KDP syndrome (i have an 01 and have been procrastinating looking into fixing mine, i think i'll break down this week end and fix 'er up) i think everyone with a 2nd gen cummins has to worry about this. correct me if im wrong, but dodge tried to fix this problem by side punching the pin or pressing it in a little tighter or something, but never actually took the time to put in a viable means of retaining the dowel pin like a set screw or even a tack weld should work well.....?

    regardless, nice post, thanks for the pics!!:thumb1:

    okay....wait a second here, i havent really looked in depth to the fixes they have on the market for the KDP, but i have read up on the damage that can result from this thing.i have read about the pin falling out and grinding through the case, this would be steel pin vs. pot metal aluminum case scenario. the second, pin falls behind the case, moving through the inner working parts of the engine tearing its way through rendering it completely unsalvagable, this would be the "oh crap, im screwed" scenario....looking at the pictures below, this solution would only keep the pin from falling foward into the gear case side of things.....what about the engine?!?!? am i missing something here? did they put a taper at the rear of the hole for the pin? [ATTACH=CONFIG]2260[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]2261[/ATTACH]

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    okay....wait a second here, i havent really looked in depth to the fixes they have on the market for the KDP, but i have read up on the damage that can result from this thing.

    i have read about the pin falling out and grinding through the case, this would be steel pin vs. pot metal aluminum case scenario.

    the second, pin falls behind the case, moving through the inner working parts of the engine tearing its way through rendering it completely unsalvagable, this would be the "oh crap, im screwed" scenario....looking at the pictures below, this solution would only keep the pin from falling foward into the gear case side of things.....what about the engine?!?!? am i missing something here? did they put a taper at the rear of the hole for the pin? Auh......never herd that one....where did you get this information??:stuned: the hole for the dowpin is counter-bored into the engine block itself....what usually happens is the pin falls down onto cam gear, rides on it till it wedges between the case & cam gear..resulting in busting the Timing Gear Case...in more extreme case's I've herd of where the pin will then fall in between the crank and cam gear causing the engine to "jump time". and sometimes resulting in bent or burnt valves, busted pistons, damage to the Head ..and can cause debris to go thru turbo and wipe it out:spend::spend:

    Richie:thumbup2:

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    :doh: I did my month inspection and found my front crank seal is starting to leak and I'm down about a pint of oil since my oil change. The bottom of the oil pan is wet in behind the belt pulley and the face of the pan there... Then back at the cross member that goes under the pan is wet... :ahhh: Ok Burks... I'm going to be done front seal off your write up... I need to gather up the parts and get some better weather for working. Just way to cold to work in the shop.

    How do the third gen trucks compare to the second gen? Would this write up more or less be the same? I'm thinking this is in my very near future as I'm seeing one to three drips of oil on the floor every week or so. If it's not one thing it's another :spend: :broke:Don

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    Im not sure... i was hoping somone would chime in on this with a answer....i will see what i can dig up

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    How do the third gen trucks compare to the second gen? Would this write up more or less be the same? I'm thinking this is in my very near future as I'm seeing one to three drips of oil on the floor every week or so. If it's not one thing it's another :spend::broke: Don

    From what i have seen, removing the front end body parts may be a little different but not much... basicly once you get back to the Engine, it all the same as in My Article:smart:

    I get to tackle this little project in the next few weeks only my front bumper is partially welded on and its no small bumper, should be fun lol-Jordan-

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    I get to tackle this little project in the next few weeks only my front bumper is partially welded on and its no small bumper, should be fun lol -Jordan-

    Remember, have fun with it:thumb1: :thumb1:
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