This is all too familiar lol. I guess I am part of the worthless generation (I'm 22) and it's hard to get the point out that I'm not one of them. I know exactly what hd99fxr3 means though as every other person I know from my generation is a piece of crap. HOWEVER, I have seen far worse out of THEIR generation Guys who take bathroom breaks every 5 minutes, guys who work the clock to do as little as possible. I have had countless jobs on construction crews, in factories, in commercial outfits, as contractors in factories and such, and I have always seen the same basic facts and I will lay them all out. 1. People spend way to much time worrying about the person making more than them with less experience and no work either...... WHO CARES! There is something called personal satisfaction.. My last job I was the sole electrician to a new company destined to be a huge outfit. I was in ethanol plants and factories doing big electrical jobs, by myself... There was no person to ask questions to when I got stuck and I don't exactly have 20 years experience beforehand in this. My job before that was an apprentice for a year at an electrical place who really shouldn't call them selves electricians IMHO. So I took the skills I learned from trade school and from that year of basically what NOT to do, and did my thing by myself for a year. I would get a job and go home and study everything I needed to know about it. The wire size I needed, the panels I needed, everything. I had to learn how to do complete panels of PLC's and frequency drives (since all of the jobs were factory jobs). I did this making the SAME money as a peeon laborer who's previous work experience was an oil changer at jiffy lube...... I know that would set 99% of people off, but I could care less. I was basically my own boss. When I screwed up, I kicked my own rear. When he screwed up, the boss chewed him out.. When he had questions, he had people to ask. I loved the fact that I had nobody to turn to because it forced me to search for answers and figure out way more than I wanted to know at the same time, whereas he was just told "yes or no". I would have NO problem running a crew of electricians now, even if I only made say $10/hr. I can live off any income as long as it's income...making no money runs out eventually. 2. People do not care to excel anymore.... The guy I just mentioned would often tell me he knows how to do something, but doesn't tell the boss because he would then want him to do it and that would put a lot of pressure on him..... I wanted to snap his neck every time he told me that. I realize things are hard.. Nobody really wants to dive into anything that they don't think they are "good" at. This is just fear and you gotta overcome it. There are ways to get good at it and if it something that just comes as experience then the boss should realize that you aren't going to be good at it any time soon... If it requires you to study it to learn it and become good at it, then do it. The same guy was told to do that and his response was "you gotta have fun in life too".. meaning he would rather get drunk than end his constant fear of having to do something at work that he doesn't know how to do. If, however, you want a job like that, then work in a factory on the line, moving one part over, all day long.. I am not saying factory work is bad. I did it for a while myself. It is needed to teach people how to be consistent and do work constantly. A lot of contractor jobs (especially electricians) like to work on a 5/10 ratio. As in they work 5 minutes and do nothing for 10 minutes.. I think it is obvious contractor jobs usually make more than factory workers who work their ___ off (most of them anyways, I know there are inspector jobs that seemingly require no effort) and this makes me realize I should be doing the same or more to get the higher pay I receive. 3. Breaks......I refuse to take breaks. Electrician jobs require little effort IMO. How hard is it to land wires.. I have however pulled in 100ft of 500kcmil wires through 2-90's by hand and dug trenches several feet deep with a shovel on 110F days...in which case it is impossible to not work at it for 20 minutes, and take a 1-3 minute drink of water break. But 90% of contractor work does not have this kind of kill yourself work. A break also seems to turn 1 day into 2 days so the day seems even longer. I even occasionally skip lunch entirely or take 2 minutes to eat a sandwich.. You don't need half an hour to make the 8 hour day turn into 8 1/2 hours (since you don't get paid for lunch) when you do work that doesn't require much effort. Now the PITA work I mentioned, yes, I take a full blown lunch. 4. Watching the clock.....I see people looking at the clock every 5 minutes. If it is 10 minutes from break, the will slow down or even start taking a "pre-break" (what I call it). That's just BS. Then there are people who completely put up shop 30 min before it is actually time to go home. At the electrician apprentice job, guys wouldn't leave the shop until 7, and would put up and make it so they would get back to the shop by 3. That means if it took a half hour to get there and get set up, and a half hour to put up and get back to the shop, they would lose an hour of actual "work". I convinced the guy I worked with (we were 2 person crews) that it was BS and we ended up being on the job working before 7 and we wouldn't even stop working till 10 or 20 after 3. Putting up early is cheating the customer out of a "good job". After all, the more you slack off, the long it takes for their stuff to get in service, costing them money. Just because they give you a deadline doesn't mean land the last wire the minute beforehand, get it done as quick as possible. 5. Comparing yourself to everyone else as to how hard you should work.. This ties in with #1 a little. If the person next to you is slower than you, don't work as slow as him, because he might just be waiting for you to make him look slow so that he can speed up. There was a time when I worked in a steel shop racking steel. There was a guy who was maybe 70 years old. Hair as white as snow and more wrinkles than a wadded up piece of tin foil. He was only 5ft 6 or so and really just looked like a scrawny old man. He would come over and pick up half of a 300lb square tube (me on the other end) and practically run to the rack dragging me along and throw his end on the rack and be waiting for me to get my end up.. This really showed me how the old timers worked and was a huge motivator to me. It was then obvious that just when you though you were working hard, you were completely wrong and some old guy could come over and make you look like a girl. I think most of the current generation is never showed up like that so they never realize how slow they are. 6. Safety should be common sense.. I too have had a lot of close calls mainly from everyone else. People telling me to cut things and things just happen to collapse and stuff.. I have even almost walked right off a 100ft drop because I was holding something big and couldn't see and we didn't have a harness on that woud pull on the lanyard if I had got close to the edge. A lot of this is due to stupid foremans but also lack of experience on my part. You think its no big deal until something like that happens. Foremans can tell you of the risks but you never truly understand them until you have a close call. Hopefully you survive the close call... I have seen olddder generation being 10x stupider than younger and vice versa. I kinda got lucky because at the steel place the boss would throw a hammer at you from 20ft away, and yell your name as it was airborne. If you didn't turn around instantly, you better hope he wasn't aiming for your head. 7. One of the worst things I can't stand is gossip. I don't know which generation is worse but geeeez. There is a new company in my city that is huge and there have been rumors that they are running red diesel, that they are evading taxes, that the FBI is investigating them, to the point that they have had to make columns in the newspaper to defend themselves. But then there is the constant stuff about your foreman or boss... He is a piece of crap, he does this wrong, he...... HE HIRED YOU! If you have a problem, take it straight to him. Don't tell everyone in the plant that he declined workmans comp to someone who deserved it, because you probably don't know the whole story, plus, it's almost definitely none of your business. If you don't like how he does things, talk to him or leave. Do not be like all the other people who show your dissatisfaction by doing a crappy job thinking he will call you out and then you can turn it around and call him out and somehow end up on top, that is so low on so many levels. I realize there is a rank thing that scares people. The janitor doesn't want to talk to his supervisor or the CEO of the company, but if it isn't wasting their valuable time then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to formally ask them if they can spare 5 minutes. Maybe the janitor wants to ask the CEO if he it would be wrong to take the stuff off the CEO's desk to clean it....I guess to sum everything up, be happy you have a job, do not live above your pay scale (don't buy a jaguar if you work at mcdonalds), and do not worry about what others are doing. That guy who you say does nothing could be a the son of a boss's friend who the boss was in the army with and lost his life defending everyone... It is none of your business to ask why he does nothing, it is the foreman's responsibility. Just like hd99fxr3, I'm not trying to make this personal, merely trying to show you some facts of life that might help you