Head studs, valve springs, what else?

[Mopar1973Man]

1 hour ago, Spdfrk said:

That's awesome you've put so much time, thought, & testing into all this!

 

59 minutes ago, Silverwolf2691 said:

I think he was miles per year leader for the site for a while so he had the mileage/time (sort of) to be able test and tune. 

 

Well that came from the fact I had 5 years of running from New Meadows, ID to Ontario, OR with my mother @MoparMomto dialysis. That worked out to about 1,100 miles per week I drove. Total of 250k miles in 5 years. Being I was trying to be the best I could for so much travel I dial it in to the highmark I've got today. I was part of the beta test team for the Quadzilla Tuner and help with others involved in making the tuner it is today. 

 

Clue: Engine oil temp will rise considerably when the timing is advanced too far being the cylinder walls have more flame contact for longer. Optimal should start the burn in the piston and the expanding just to finish the power stroke out. This will show up in the coolant but later in time. My typical engine oil temp is much lower than coolant which hangs about 195*F but the oil temp is 160*F to 165*F normally measuring at the oil filter housing. Anything that creates excessive heat is a loss of power... Just the wrong sized tires can impact this in excessive EGT's (most common).

 

So today with 439,xxx miles on The Beast and if you figure its 238k to the moon and the back again is 476k miles just need another 37k miles I've driven to the moon and back. 

 

[dieselautopower]

62/65/12 is going to run hot at WOT.  You will want more turbine flow... go with a 62/65/14 or a little bigger at 62/68/12.  The 62/68/12SXE flows 77lbs/minute and the non- sxe 62/65 typically is 72lbs/ minute.  Give me a shout if you want to talk turbos, injectors Quadzilla etc.

[Spdfrk]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:01 AM, Mopar1973Man said:

Quadzilla Adrenaline is a 180 HP tuner. So its going to fuel 3 times harder than a Smarty S-03

Just picked my truck up yesterday after having Quadzilla, head studs, and valve springs installed......man what a difference the Quadzilla made lol Now I'm gonna have to learn how to fine tune it. Truck runs pretty clean even on lvl10 surprisingly.

[Silverwolf2691]

If you have no tunes installed, its not a lot of wire tap, only 1400us. But you also have a 63mm turbo.. That makes a difference lol.

 

Also, power levels over 3, so 4 and up, are divisions of 100% wiretap. In the settings, I run 6 power levels, 0-5, with 4 being 50% wire tap and 5 being 100% wire tap.

Also those percentages are of the user specified wire tap amount. Meaning the 1400-2200us number. 

 

Happy tuning!

[Spdfrk]

12 minutes ago, Silverwolf2691 said:

If you have no tunes installed, its not a lot of wire tap, only 1400us. But you also have a 63mm turbo.. That makes a difference lol.

 

Also, power levels over 3, so 4 and up, are divisions of 100% wiretap. In the settings, I run 6 power levels, 0-5, with 4 being 50% wire tap and 5 being 100% wire tap.

Also those percentages are of the user specified wire tap amount. Meaning the 1400-2200us number. 

 

Happy tuning!

I haven't had any time to really mess with it but mine goes up to lvl10, guessing a pre-programmed tune??

[Mopar1973Man]

Stock tune is pretty derated in timing. Once you build a good timing  curve it will be even better. Fuel map is fairly easy but there is a few tricks.

[Spdfrk]

2 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Stock tune is pretty derated in timing. Once you build a good timing  curve it will be even better. Fuel map is fairly easy but there is a few tricks.

So the lvl10 is still somewhat tame? I can't image it pulling harder than it does 😳 I tried to upload a video but no luck

[Mopar1973Man]

I run level 2 and can still smoke the tires. Tame ha! Now go 425 miles on a half tank of fuel.

[Spdfrk]

18 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I run level 2 and can still smoke the tires. Tame ha! Now go 425 miles on a half tank of fuel.

I'm sure those little 245's don't stand a chance because mine was trying to spin in 4th gear lol

So where's the best place to read up on/learn how to tune/maybe get custom tunes that have already been made?? Didn't seem like there was anything real helpful in the instructions but I was only able to skim over them. I'll probably bring the instructions in tomorrow and see if there's any helpful info in there.

[Mopar1973Man]

There is articles on how to build tunes here in the article section. Then in the download section there are some pre-made tunes including my current tune I'm running.

[Spdfrk]

18 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

There is articles on how to build tunes here in the article section. Then in the download section there are some pre-made tunes including my current tune I'm running.

Excellent! I don't mind paying for tunes/ppls time but I still wish some of ya were close to talk about this stuff since I'm new to all this downloading, importing, etc. I took my mustang, had it dyno tuned & rolled on lol I could run 8psi to 16psi and not mess with anything.

[Mopar1973Man]

I've been doing the chat on the phone and build tunes too. I've helped @Sycostang67 build his tune. There are a few here I've been helping setup Quadzillas and diagnose performance issues.

[Spdfrk]

13 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I've been doing the chat on the phone and build tunes too. I've helped @Sycostang67 build his tune. There are a few here I've been helping setup Quadzillas and diagnose performance issues.

I plan on buying your mileage tune & probably a "race tune" from someone.

[Silverwolf2691]

Honestly, everything you need to build your tune from out of the box stock to custom tuned is on here.. Just need to dig for some of it. I'm not against paying for tunes, but some of those were from early Quadzilla knowledge, back when 15° in the 1500 band was the recommended start point. Not all have been kept up to date to my knowledge.

 

Hardest things to figure out:

- Nomenclature. Some things have weird names and aren't intuitive.

- What some of the timing push/pulls do.

 

Other than that, it isn't as hard as people make it out to be..

 

Its not like EFILive .

 

If you want a true race tune start at 100% for like 0-5 psi, then go up in 5% increments until its at 150%.. Wire tap probably 16-1800us range starting at 5 psi.. Fueling wise at least. its gonna be smokey and hot but it should rip.. Timing needs a bit of reference on my end to get you a good start. Been a while since I played with my Quadzilla due to my truck being down.. If you want a clean race tune, that's a different story..

 

@Mopar1973Man, don't know if you been asked this but, do you have a race tune hiding on your Quad?

[Spdfrk]

3 hours ago, Silverwolf2691 said:

Also, power levels over 3, so 4 and up, are divisions of 100% wiretap. In the settings, I run 6 power levels, 0-5, with 4 being 50% wire tap and 5 being 100% wire tap.

Mine will go up to lvl10 so I'm not sure how hot of a tune that is, there's nothing in the manual describing each factory tune that I saw. I know it's a huge difference from the smarty but it runs pretty clean. I wish I could get the speedo video uploaded but it keeps erroring out.

[Silverwolf2691]

If you open up the custom tuning area of the Quadzilla that will tell you right away if there are tunes in there. Otherwise you were running on an odd (poor) timing curve (I mean line), and factory dodge fueling with bare minimum wiretap.

 

You also set how much wiretap you are adding as well. So a hot tune is only as hot as you make it. Then the levels break that further down.

 

I only run 6 total levels because I don't like pushing a button a million times since it doesn't really matter what the amount of levels are. I wish I could actually go less to 5 total because I run level 3 in my day to day and only play in level 5 when I'm sled pulling or playing. I don't have a need for 50% wire tap.. Unless that changed recently, 6 total levels (have to include zero) was the minimum.

 

Upload to YouTube and paste the link instead of putting the video on the website. File size is probably too big.  

Edited March 1, 2022 by Silverwolf2691

[Mopar1973Man]

Me I only run 7 levels being it splits the wire tap up by 25% per level. Actually level 2 is the best for MPG. Level 3 is better for all around driving. 4 and up is all wire tap. 

 

Again the biggest feature to my tunes is no extra power is giving below 15 PSI which makes for more daily driver fueling. Now if you in it for performance then you should make a second tune that is economy and then the other for performance so you can pour on the fuel early and heavy. Then like when spring get here I'll be towing my RV more and have a 3rd tune for strictly for towing. 

 

So power levels...

0 - Stock ECM

1 - Valet mode

2 - Stock Fuel no added fuel above 100%

3 - CANBus fuel

 

4 and up is all wire tap settings. You can break this up and have 10% per level or anything in between.

[Silverwolf2691]

This was the format we used to use when sharing tunes or looking for help tuning on the forums. If you have had a chance to look in the custom tuning area on your Quad, you can post it like this.. 

 

Power Levels: 

 

Timing

Max Load Timing Offset:

Low PSI Timing Reduct:

Timing Reduct Scaling:

Light Throttle Timing Adv:

Light Throttle Timing Load Limit:

 

Timing vs rpm

1500:

2000:

2500:

3000:

Timing Max:
 

Wiretap

Pump Stretch:

TPS Pump max:

TPS Pump Min

Minimum Pump Tap Fueling Percentage:

Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 

 

Boost Scaling:

 

RPM Limit:

 

Power Reduction:

 

0 PSI %:

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[Spdfrk]

9 minutes ago, Silverwolf2691 said:

This was the format we used to use when sharing tunes or looking for help tuning on the forums. If you have had a chance to look in the custom tuning area on your Quad, you can post it like this.

Well after today I'm off for 4 days so I plan on messing around with it & trying to learn what's going on with it. I just know it's a world of difference. Went from 38psi to 50+psi, egt's will hit 1300°, it'll wrap the speedo pretty quick to 110mph.