Fuel economy jump

[JAG1]

I need the protection of my big heavy truck with the way people drive crazy around here. Besides I tried the 2 stroke in my wifes Subaru and it didn't work so hot

[organicfarmer]

Ok...

 

From what I've been playing with I've found there is a roughly 2 MPG gain with two cycle oil vs. without two cycle oil (128:1 ratio). Running colder IAT's on a 24V tend to start losing roughly 1 MPG for every -10*F from 100 IAT temperature. I typically see better MPG numbers in the hot afternoon temps at 100-105*F than in the morning at 50-55*F. Yes. I've got the best of both world cold morning starts and baking heat afternoons. Another odd one that I found about two cycle oil, without two cycle oil in the fuel it will smoke more than with two cycle oil where it barely even smokes.

 

Just tidbits from my daily drive back and forth to work and odd jobs...

 

I think this is a good time to satisfy my 'wondering' about 2 cycle oil. what does it do? replace fuel conditioner? work on common rails?

THANK-YOU!

[Mopar1973Man]

2 Cycle Oil replaces the lubricity lost in the ULSD. It also tends to reduce cetane down and increase BTU content. Increasing cetane make the MPG numbers lower this is the big reason why winter time MPG fall is because BTU content is gone.

 

Dark green summer and light green is winter

 

 

Bosch requirements for lubricity. Remember US Diesel is ~520 HFRR score.

 

[organicfarmer]

What about hpcr cummins? i have a 04.5;  same rate year round?  

Edited June 8, 2015 by organicfarmer

[Dave3500]

I'm sure that running 2cycle oil extended the life of my IP, when I first bought my truck in 08 I had the dreaded death code that would pop up. I had 168K on her, but I followed the recommendations here, Air Dog Raptor 100, FP gauge, kept my fuel pressure above 15psi. The truck now has 207K, so following the advice here has kept my VP44 alive. She starts as soon as I touch the key, wants to run. If it ain't broke don't fix it. A pound of maintenance is better than a pound of cure!

 

Use the Lube or smoke a Dube,

Dave

[Mopar1973Man]

What about hpcr cummins? i have a 04.5  same rate year round?  

 

200:1 ratio. Talk to Dorkweed here the one that started the idea. I'm the that did the study work.

[Dave3500]

Yep, that's why we call him 2-cycle Michael!

[organicfarmer]

Well MR.DORK WEED, your up next! i'm all EYES!!    

[dorkweed]

Been a "2 stroker" since '05-'06 (When was that thread started Michael??)  in my '04.5 with 225,000 miles on her now.  I run 1/2oz. per 1 gallon of diesel..............though I usually just dump 16oz. in the tank when I fuel up because my fill ups average 31-32 gallons.

[Mopar1973Man]

I think 2006-2007... I just did a search for that original thread but it lost to the MySQL database black hole. I can't seem to find that monster thread that was over 150 pages long.

[organicfarmer]

thanks! you all dont disappoint!  soooo, 2cycle replaces fuel additives completely? no need to add ''winter'' conditioner?

 well maybe i should ask this way,...do you all add any 'other' adds?    

[dorkweed]

I've added nothing to my tanks of fuel except diesel and 2 stroke oil since I started this thread over on Cummins Forum...................http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/alternative-fuels-additives-oils-lubricants/4054-first-time-w-2stroke-oil.html

 

Check out the date!!

[organicfarmer]

THANKS! I'LL CHECK IT OUT! 

[Mopar1973Man]

Well... Now like I said 2 cycle oil replaces the lost lubricity.

 

As for theory the pour point of 2 cycle oil typically is lower than pour point of diesel fuel so there is some aid given but how much is unknown. That is based on how low the existing fuel is pour point which most don't know. Then the amount of 2 cycle oil required for reduction is unknown. Like most winterized diesel is right around -20*F across the nation. Most snowmobile 2 cycle oil is rated at -40*F to -50*F pour point.

 

As for me I have done the research locally and know what my fuel station are selling and quality of fuel. Even with -20*F to -25*F winters I've never added any thing but 2 cycle oil. I don't use any other winter conditioner. Cetane booster rob the BTU value and most winterized diesel like shown above have plenty of cetane so adding more is not going to help. As for pour point or gelling issues I check on my local suppliers and found some keep pour point depressants on hand for sudden changes in weather. How else did I get the picture? I did my homework.

 

 

Some stations post there pour point numbers.

 

So if the pour point and cetane is already above specs then no winterized treatment is required just need to deal with the lubricity problem.

[dorkweed]

Hey Mike;  I've read/skimmed about 60 pages of that old thread now.  What I've noticed about it now is that when certain pages are referenced by posters, they don't match with the page I'm reading or the page the poster references.  Did our old friendly Moderator buddy over there;  BBSpam/BSRam, delete all his posts from that thread????  Remember he was the moderator that was always trying to derail that thread???  Or are the pages organized different now???  Just asking here.

[Mopar1973Man]

Unknown... That is one of the reason I created the article database to capture information and keep it from diappearing into the black hole of a MySQL server or haveing other selectively deleting what they don't like. Man that was back in the days of battling "Mind set" people that were ignorant of what was going on also I was stumbling and learning to from the mistakes of others digging for information.

 

But seeing that thread bring back memories.

www.frontiernet.net/~mopar1973man/2_cycle_oil.htm <- The first Mopar1973Man Web Page Address.

[pepsi71ocean]

The 200f tstat made a visible difference in fuel economy,now if I could only figure my smarty out....