Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

FYI the cruise timing changes seem to be working beautifully    

Just so everyone knows the changes ARE working perfectly as designed!

38 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Meh it was mostly to benefit myself, I got tired of having to borrow Tyler's smarty to pass emissions.

 

Then Tyler drove me like a slave driver and Mike did some complaining and here we are now

Hey all I wanted was to have HUGE injectors, get good mileage, and have it smoke like a stock truck  

YOU did that and I greatly appreciate it. Not very often do you get to have your cake and eat it too. 

8 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Mike did some complaining and here we are now

 

What?! Complaining?

 

If the software didn't have timing like a p-pump. Must be that goofy guy that's doing all the coding. 

8 hours ago, TFaoro said:

Hey all I wanted was to have HUGE injectors.....

 

You have small injectors, cry baby.

1 hour ago, Mopar1973Man said:

 

What?! Complaining?

 

If the software didn't have timing like a p-pump. Must be that goofy guy that's doing all the coding. 

don't you know ppump is all the rage.  kinda like " I wanna be like mike" but " I wanna be ppump"  

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

don't you know ppump is all the rage.  kinda like " I wanna be like mike" but " I wanna be ppump"  

 

 

 

 

 

Uh No... 

1 hour ago, jlbayes said:

 

You have small injectors, cry baby.

In VP land I don't. Any Injectors that'll easily outflow the pump are big. If someone runs 6x.024 injectors in a VP truck they're not smart. 

Remember mines not a cruise around/ race truck either. I also use it for towing and working! 

48 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

 

Uh No... 

Now to be %100 fair the design scope of crusie timing changed significantly once you learned you could do 75+ mph at 23 + mpg hahahahah

 

Cake and eat it too.  Regardless the tune I PM's you should give you cruise timing that works at 55 , 65,75, and 80 mph.  

22 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

In VP land I don't. Any Injectors that'll easily outflow the pump are big. If someone runs 6x.024 injectors in a VP truck they're not smart. 

Remember mines not a cruise around/ race truck either. I also use it for towing and working! 

 

If I had a vp truck still I would stick these big boy injectors in it just because. rofl

Edited February 1, 20178 yr by jlbayes

59 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

 

If I had a vp truck still I would stick these big boy injectors in it just because. rofl

And thanks to @Me78569 and @Quadzilla Power you could!

It wouldn't be smart  but you could. 

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

Now to be %100 fair the design scope of crusie timing changed significantly once you learned you could do 75+ mph at 23 + mpg hahahahah

 

Cake and eat it too.  Regardless the tune I PM's you should give you cruise timing that works at 55 , 65,75, and 80 mph.  

 

 

True... Lots has been added and improved over the last what 5 months of Beta Testing. I'm working towards making it more stable in the MPG department is still rather wobbly in numbers a bit more than I like. 

 

I had to give you a load of crap over your comment... 

" yadda yadda yadda I wanna run 6 x.024 without smoke"

 

I'm out

4 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

" yadda yadda yadda I wanna run 6 x.024 without smoke"

 

I'm out

I bet it's possible. You might have forgotten, but I was able to tame a smarty and 7x.013 to drive nicely!

@Me78569 Thank you... Code is good. I see a good range of timing change now between cruise state and power mode. I took my test drive to Riggins, ID which is basically a mild 1% grade over all. Downhill it can ramp up quite a bit of timing at 65 MPH I seen as high as 22* then when I was coming home back up hill it kept the timing much lower 16-18* working its way back up canyon. I'll give it the long haul test tomorrow and tell you what the 362 mile run to Boise and back does. 

sweet,  let me know.

 

right now you are happy?

23 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

sweet,  let me know.

 

right now you are happy?

 

 

Let's say right now you need a "Atta Boy". We'll see what it turns out tomorrow long haul day.

@Me78569 and @Mopar1973Man

 

Can you give me a break down of what parameters yall are running on your daily tunes currently?  Just curious to compare.

 

@TFaoro What mileage are you seeing these days?

 

 

11 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

@Me78569 and @Mopar1973Man

 

Can you give me a break down of what parameters yall are running on your daily tunes currently?  Just curious to compare.

 

@TFaoro What mileage are you seeing these days?

 

 

I actually bought a car a week and a half ago, so I haven't filled the truck in a while. Before I got that though, my "city" driving back and forth to school was about 16mpg. That's hitting 6 stop lights in 1 mile with an average speed of 45mph. Straight highway driving nicely I'm seeing about 21-22. Now that the truck only moves when testing needs done I think it'll drop  

 

Maybe @Me78569 can give us a good graphical representation of the "Load Timing" so we all know exactly what it's doing. 

9 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

What mileage are you seeing these days?

 

I'm seeing roughly 21-23 MPG with 362 mile round trip to Boise. This is mixed driving all the way around. Mostly highway at 65 MPH. Some interstate travel at 80 MPH and then mixed city travel ranging from 25-45 MPH in the cities/towns.

 

The best I can say is aim for the 19-20* timing on the highway and create a tune that is smokeless. The better your tune becomes the lower the EGT's will become so will engine load. Like I'm capable of running nearly 10-15 MPH faster at the same EGT's as my old Edge Comp tuner did. @Me78569 lastest update in software is really good from the quick test run I ran today. Way better control of timing on the highway now vs. engine load. It's getting rather stupid powerful for economy tune when I can light the tires up in 2nd, 3rd and bark 4th I'm having hard time calling that my economy tune. 

 

10 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

give us a good graphical representation of the "Load Timing" so we all know exactly what it's doing. 

 

Load Timing actually retards timing based on engine load. So low engine load will have the highest amount of retarding power. Then as engine load goes higher towards 100% then max timing is given. I'm running ZERO in this position. 

 

7 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

Can you give me a break down of what parameters yall are running on your daily tunes currently?

 

I would love to but right now I'm in a period of constant change and testing so what I've got right now might change again by tomorrow evening as I study the timing and MPG as I travel. Give me a few days I'll release my setting that is working. 

5 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Load Timing actually retards timing based on engine load. So low engine load will have the highest amount of retarding power. Then as engine load goes higher towards 100% then max timing is given. I'm running ZERO in this position. 

I remember Nick talking about this, but I would like to SEE what it's actually doing to the timing at different loads, different rpms, etc. How is this variable implemented (using what parameters) and how does it decide how much to retard using those parameters. 

 

I too am currently running 0. 

Edited February 2, 20178 yr by TFaoro