With the recent sale of my 5ther, my bonds have finally been released of that debt! It has been refreshing to finally realize that i no longer have that hanging over my head!

 

While i do plan on saving money, sometimes money must also be invested. We've been thinking on priority purchases, and an agreement was made that we want a skid steer. Preferably before winter so it can be used for snow removal. I also want it to use to move my beehives. It's going to get allot of use in that department as i keep growing my apiary. 

 

Then there's need for it with other attachments that it can take the place of a tractor. If need be i can do odd jobs with it and make some extra money on the side. 

 

This was how i was able to justify the purchase. Otherwise it would have been a snow plow. Which can be used only for one thing and only during one season of the year. 

 

Now, my problem is, i know NOTHING about skid steers. Bobcat is pretty much the only brand i think ill go with considering the attachments they have available. That and the conversion kits that are made for them to use in beehive logistics will only for bobcat. 

 

So the question is which model? Definitely don't want to break the bank doing this either. Who knows their stuff about the little machines? School me, oh wise people!

Edited August 1, 20177 yr by hex0rz

At least you are making progress.

When you checked the glow plugs did you unhook them all so they were all individually isolated? 

Yeah buying used equipment is always fun. I am working through things on my rig too. Snowblower is giving my bank account a heart attack lol. PTO shaft was way too short $600 for a brand new one the correct length then new seals in the gear box then hook up the hydraulic rotation orbit motor to find out the motor is shot there goes another 113 bucks for a new aftermarket orbit motor sheesh.

 

 

 yea i took the strap off. 

 

Biggest issue is bobcat has a virtual monopoly on the parts... that's the frustrating part. 

I don't know Bobcat but I do understand learning curves. Some can be easier than others.

Edited November 21, 20177 yr by dripley

And...... Why you think i still have the Cummins!

13 hours ago, hex0rz said:

 yea i took the strap off. 

 

Biggest issue is bobcat has a virtual monopoly on the parts... that's the frustrating part. 

 

That's not unusual with off road construction equipment no matter the brand, totally different world than on road vehicles.

Bobcat has been around forever and is American made so there are tons and tons of places that sell aftermarket parts for the older skid steers if you search around and lots of used parts and salvage places that specialize in Bobcats. While searching things out for my tractor I have came across numerous Bobcat specific skid steer sites and forums.

Wow, your doing better than i am. I couldn't find anything. Resorted to a Facebook group for skid steers. Dunno the whole demographic of the group, but don't ask something too challenging. Otherwise, you may never get an answer. 

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/bobcat-construction-equipment/

 

http://www.bobcatforum.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=54

 

 

Bobcat manual says what's in the picture. 

 

I picked this up:

 

http://xtremeoil.com/allproducts/xtreme-tractor-hydraulic-fluid/

 

Problems?

Copy / paste from their material.

 

Xtreme™ Tractor Hydraulic Fluid is a straight SAE 20 weight product and is designed for use in warmer climates, where low temperature operation is not an issue.

 

I bought it at my local farm store. They go through pallets of this stuff all the time. I just wasn't sure if it was compatible for skid steer systems. 

 

When it comes to oils and lubes etc, i don't know much... 

I returned the extreme hydraulic oil and opted for aw32 hydraulic oil they had instead. Maybe used 3 gallons of a 5 gallon bucket of oil.

 

Energized the glow plugs and it did 2 cycles before i fired it up at idle rpm. Cranked right over but had a little sputtering upon fire up. I would think that's normal for these little engines... I've never had a glow plug engine either so that's why i figured it was normal. 

 

Once i got it going, i proceeded to finally get it moving and see how it ran. What a dream! I love operating it now. I think anyone could operate it without a problem now. Now i have to get used to operating it again..

Yeah they are indirect injection engines so it is normal for them to be cold blooded and a bit rough at cold start up for a few seconds even with / after long glow plug cycles.

What does indirect actually mean? Kind of like a carburetor diesel?

they both have injection pump and injectors but the fuel is injected in cylinders differently.  In the summer even my Kubota requires the aid of the glow plugs if its set for any length of time, In the winter it may take  2 or three cycles to get it to fire off if its been real cold

Edited December 4, 20177 yr by 01cummins4ever

Okay, so what would prompt someone to do indirect injection compared to direct? Does the injection still get timed like a direct injection? Definitely seems more inefficient to me as it seems like it would decrease the likelihood of the fuel to stay atomized. 

Even my 2009 CT450 Bobcat tractor with a 2.4 litre Daedong / Kioti engine is still IDI.

Indirect Injection

In an internal combustion engine, the term indirect injection refers to a fuel injection where fuel is not directly injected into the combustion chamber. Gasoline engines are usually equipped with indirect injection systems, wherein a fuel injector delivers the fuel at some point before the intake valve.

An indirect injection diesel engine delivers fuel into a chamber off the combustion chamber, called a prechamber, where combustion begins and then spreads into the main combustion chamber. The prechamber is carefully designed to ensure adequate mixing of the atomized fuel with the compression-heated air. The purpose of the divided combustion chamber is to speed up the combustion process, in order to increase the power output by increasing engine speed. The addition of a prechamber, however, increases heat loss to the cooling system and thereby lowers engine efficiency. The engine requires glow plugs for starting. In an indirect injection system the air moves fast, mixing the fuel and air. This simplifies injector design and allows the use of smaller engines and less tightly toleranced designs which are simpler to manufacture and more reliable. Direct injection, by contrast, uses slow-moving air and fast-moving fuel; both the design and manufacture of the injectors is more difficult. The optimisation of the in-cylinder air flow is much more difficult than designing a prechamber. There is much more integration between the design of the injector and the engine. It is for this reason that car diesel engines were almost all indirect injection until the ready availability of powerful CFD simulation systems made the adoption of direct injection practical.

Indirect Injection - Advantages of Indirect Injection Combustion Chambers

Advantages of Indirect Injection Combustion Chambers

• Smaller diesels can be produced.
• The injection pressure required is low, so the injector is cheaper to produce.
• The injection direction is of less importance.
• Indirect injection is much simpler to design and manufacture; less injector development is required and the injection pressures are low (1500 psi versus 5000 psi and higher for direct injection)
• The lower stresses that indirect injection imposes on internal components mean that it is possible to produce petrol and indirect injection diesel versions of the same basic engine. At best such types differ only in the cylinder head and the need to fit a distributor and spark plugs in the petrol version whilst fitting an injection pump and injectors to the diesel. Examples include the BMC A-Series and B-Series engines and the Land Rover 2.25/2.5-litre 4-cylinder types. Such designs allow petrol and diesel versions of the same vehicle to be built with minimal design changes between them.
• Higher engine speeds can be reached, since burning continues in the prechamber. The Mercedes-Benz type prechamber is able to achieve over 6000rpm in a turbocharged engine.
• Indirect injection is superior for running on thicker vegetable oil fuel, due to lower pressure injection, a longer burn time and increased swirl ensuring more complete combustion.

Edited December 4, 20177 yr by Wild and Free

That ^^^^ explains it very well 

Wow in blown away. I never knew this about diesels. Kinda makes me wonder what sort of things i can do to this little Kubota.