Rolling through Craig's list see a s03 for 250. It's an older add he says he still has it. I'm like ****.

 

I ask if I can take the programmer for a spin. Get it loaded on 9 and he rides with me.  Get out on street and stand on it , I'm like **** I wasnt expecting that. Hes like what turbo is that it whistles he thought it was something cooler then a stock hy35.

Pretty much roll around the block. Pay him and we go on our merry way.

 

7x09 injectors + s03 = fun

 

Edited April 15, 20196 yr by Evan

I hugged the smarty in this morning then unplugged it

 

I've already ran all timing settings with all sw#s. Knew I was towing today so didnt waste my time adding timming.

 

I've ran even and odd #s without timming. It could just be my weird but dyno but sw6 seems different from 5 and 7. Timming removed from both. Its probly just me. 

 

Towing about 11k as pictured it smokes like a freight train from a stop. I've ran timming st 3 towing and 4 empty. It still smokes alot when I get on it.  

 

Towing today I was watching the boost gauge at about 10psi it lights and starts whistling.  Then at 18 or so it kinda you can feel it go dead. Then it spikes to 30. Doesnt seem to do it every t I'll me accelerating. I think I hear a flutter to

Maybe its loaded up to much fuel not enough air as it goes flat then picks it up.

 

 

 

This machine is 10k.

So towing about 16k

I'm scared to run much timing towing

 

When she had wwite hips

 

Smarty just isn't a very controllable tuner. It got its short comings. Fuelling map or the timing map  doesn't fit every single circumstance. No matter how much you play with it you never get what you looking for with knowing what the timing map and fuel map look like. 

 

I agree.  That why I'm sitting on the fuel only setting that feels good to. . Yesterday I pulled eisman canyon at 80mph right at 1300temp. Could be my imagination,  but she seems to rin better after.

I'm headed to finish a dig, cruising empty. Not that I want to but I may beat you to 400k. Already almost 3k into 300

I've always thought white smoke when colds normal now I'm starting to wonder.  It's not burning coolant has about 250k on a inframe.  I haven't turned it up. It's a 365 big cam Cummins 

 

The timing isn't added/raised by raising the number, its how soon it locks the timing, Your still putting out too much fuel,
 

the correlation between when it locks the timing and the fueling depends on the SW# and the Timing number.

 

The smoke is due to the lack of timing, you need to run timing to clear up the smoke, and or turn back your duration or TM#'s to control the pre/post boost fueling.

Edited June 22, 20195 yr by pepsi71ocean

2 hours ago, Evan said:

I agree.  That why I'm sitting on the fuel only setting that feels good to. . Yesterday I pulled eisman canyon at 80mph right at 1300temp. Could be my imagination,  but she seems to rin better after.

I'm headed to finish a dig, cruising empty. Not that I want to but I may beat you to 400k. Already almost 3k into 300

I've always thought white smoke when colds normal now I'm starting to wonder.  It's not burning coolant has about 250k on a inframe.  I haven't turned it up. It's a 365 big cam Cummins 

 

Warm it would be a worry but cold is ok.... cleans up warm hopefully.... I've looked after a lot a big cummins... NTA855 x 8 in poxy terex dumptrucks, KTA1150 x 4 in AB 55 tonne trucks, and who knows how many generators, NTA855 dogs nads... cam timing is a shim out or in on the follower blocks on the side of the block... piston kit with liner was less than £100 per pot, shim pack for liner height was less that £20 and the tool to cut the liner counter bore was peanuts.. in frame for less than 1k..... oopps I forgot to add this was 35 years ago

nice to see a 3500 doing what it's supposed to do

Yes clear up when warm . Smokes black when I'm on it but clear otherwise 

no worries then

Ok done working.

 

Set smarty to sw5 t4 d5. Have 60 or so miles to test try it out

1 minute ago, Evan said:

Ok done working.

 

Set smarty to sw5 t4 d5. Have 60 or so miles to test try it out

 

Can I ask why you have the Duration set so high?

What is the Torque Management set to?

Just where I have. Tm is whatever default is for 5 I think its 3 not sure though.

 

I may change duration to. Just where I have it no real reason 

Ok ran sw5 tm4 d5.

Truck runs good night have alittle more overal power than sw6 no timming added I think it sounds alitt different towing at about half throttle.

It didnt blow the head gasket towing 11k at 30psi om the freeway doing 80. Temp seemed the same 

 

I'll leave it here for awhile then drop back duration to 4.

I like changing one setting at a time.

 

Also noticed some haze at idle when truck was just running with sun setting just right. Maybe a valve seal, could it be fuel at idle cant really tell what color the haze is it's so faint.

 

1 hour ago, Evan said:

Ok ran sw5 tm4 d5.

Truck runs good night have alittle more overal power than sw6 no timming added I think it sounds alitt different towing at about half throttle.

It didnt blow the head gasket towing 11k at 30psi om the freeway doing 80. Temp seemed the same 

 

I'll leave it here for awhile then drop back duration to 4.

I like changing one setting at a time.

 

Also noticed some haze at idle when truck was just running with sun setting just right. Maybe a valve seal, could it be fuel at idle cant really tell what color the haze is it's so faint.

 

 

I wrote that guide in a way to help guide users in dialing their smarty in. you can tell which settings to dial in based on what the truck is doing smoke wise pre/post boost.

 

If you have a haze at idle its most likely fueling, I'd say dial back the TM#, because its pre boost fooling. If your passing someone on the highway for example and you have tons of smoke then your duration needs to be turned back.

Spool-up issues is directly related to timing, and which # you select. The higher the SW# the more you must lower the Timing. Can't run timing on 4 with the SW on 9. But it works great on SW5.

I don't assume that the TM/T/D are related to any set SW#. because to me in order to clear up pre boost smoke i have to lower the TM# the higher i go with the SW#.

 

For example with SW9 I can barely get TM3 to not smoke. but with SW5 i can get much better throttle response with TM on 4 or 5. I think that 5 is borderline without popping injectors. Now to explain WHY this is.

 

The SW9 fuels very hard off idle, and you hit 100% fueling very quickly on the actual physical throttle, (about 35%), on SW5 I hit 100% fueling command around 60% of physical throttle.

 

Now the difference is drive-ability. Its much easier to control fueling and smoke with more pedal control. And as such you can also add more torque with pre-boost fueling (Higher TM) then when you have a pedal that's more sensitive.

 

A good example of this is the cruise control surge. When I dialed back my TM# on SW5 from 6 to 4 i lost the Cruise Control Surge issues. I can drive the truck with cruise control and it doesn't go nuts. Now explain why this is?

I'm not sure what to think. I cruise just under the turbo. Wind hills any kinds drag lights it then almost dumps it ounce drags gone. Combination of fuel and factory computer.

 

On sw5 youd have to turn it up to 6 to be able to back it off to 4.  

 

My truck smoke with injectors on there own no programming. Maybe I should try timing on 4 with no fueling.

 

I have read your article not sure I see the changes with settings that you do.

 

Got me thinking again.

 

Still on sw5 tm/default tm4 d5

 

Think 6 has slightly more get up and go off idle with no timing 

 

My brain hurts.

 

Oh I noticed that at 75mph I was at higher psi than 6with no timming. 

Cruise surges but livable om both settings

 

Cruise surged with just I injectors no programming just less surge.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 at 2:18 AM, Evan said:

I'm not sure what to think. I cruise just under the turbo. Wind hills any kinds drag lights it then almost dumps it ounce drags gone. Combination of fuel and factory computer.

 

On sw5 youd have to turn it up to 6 to be able to back it off to 4.  

 

My truck smoke with injectors on there own no programming. Maybe I should try timing on 4 with no fueling.

 

I have read your article not sure I see the changes with settings that you do.

 

Got me thinking again.

 

Still on sw5 tm/default tm4 d5

 

Think 6 has slightly more get up and go off idle with no timing 

 

My brain hurts.

 

Oh I noticed that at 75mph I was at higher psi than 6with no timming. 

Cruise surges but livable om both settings

 

Cruise surged with just I injectors no programming just less surge.

 

 

 

Turn duration down to 3 and TM onto 4. Also how many miles do you have on your current set of injectors?

I'll try.

20-50k on injectors 

4 minutes ago, Evan said:

I'll try.

20-50k on injectors 

 

I think this is the center of your issue.

 

I pulled my injectors on my truck after 33,000 miles and mine were well below the minimum spec. They were set to 305bar when i purchased them new, and pulled them they were 280-286. I had constant hazing and smoke, although after a never ending war with my smarty I did get it fairly clean.  I pulled them after watching a video i shot with my truck running my smarty when i first got them with it burning clean, which then lead me to pull and get them checked.

@Mopar1973Man can tell you about the injector pulling and testing game I went through. I currently have mine popped to 322bar, and I saw a huge difference, because I think 290 is the bottom end of the mechanical offset for the smarty.

 

With the programmable limitations of the smarty I have see a huge change with the mechanical offset of raising the pop pressure. Spool up is a huge difference, and I've been able to add allot of fueling back and it burns clean. Remember that the dynamic and static timing changes with pop pressure.

You run 7x10 ?

I'm assume 7x09 bu youd sig

5 minutes ago, Evan said:

You run 7x10 ?

I'm assume 7x09 bu youd sig

 

I have 7x.09's

On tm4 t4 d3

 

Feels like its making more power also more smoke. Feels like sw6 all default settings. 

 

Do you think tm4 t4 is safe towing.

 

Shifts are crisp but earlier than on SW default tm wich I think is 3

 

Smoke doesnt matter it's not horrible unless I get on it good.  Seems to smoke in all setting I have not ran the tm lower than3 i dont think.Think I'm going back to tm3 t4 and will try d3 there.

 

Still thinking sw# does not matter especially after you had me run tm4 .

Pretty damn sure sw6 is the only one running default tm 4 wich makes its fuel curve different.  And not paired with 7 wich is tm5

On d3 I didnt notice the dead spot that seemed to be in the middle of the power band.

I haven't ran the freeway to know if it surges but I'm pretty sure it does

 

2 hours ago, Evan said:

On tm4 t4 d3

 

Feels like its making more power also more smoke. Feels like sw6 all default settings. 

 

Is the smoke before or after the turbo lights(builds boost)

 

2 hours ago, Evan said:

Do you think tm4 t4 is safe towing.

 

I've not noticed any issues towing, it does help spool the turbo quicker though for me.

 

2 hours ago, Evan said:

Shifts are crisp but earlier than on SW default tm wich I think is 3

 

In my expierance the higher the TM# the shorter they are, TM2 for me it draggs the shifts out to 2,400rpm, on TM3 I seem to have about 1,800, and on TM6 it shifts around 1,500. But TV cable adjustment will also effect this.

 

2 hours ago, Evan said:

Smoke doesnt matter it's not horrible unless I get on it good.  Seems to smoke in all setting I have not ran the tm lower than3 i dont think.Think I'm going back to tm3 t4 and will try d3 there.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Evan said:

 

Still thinking sw# does not matter especially after you had me run tm4 .

Pretty damn sure sw6 is the only one running default tm 4 wich makes its fuel curve different.  And not paired with 7 wich is tm5

On d3 I didnt notice the dead spot that seemed to be in the middle of the power band.

I haven't ran the freeway to know if it surges but I'm pretty sure it does

 

 

I typically run TM3 with my truck, I haven't noticed any issues with Timing on 4, but timing locks later on 3 by % throttle. The dead spot you speak of I only experiences when I was running to much fueling on the duration. And that is because I think the VP-44 is over fueling the injectors and its screwing with the dynamic timing. There is a flat timing curve between 1,600 and 2,100 i believe, because regardless of RPM i seem to have the same pyrometers.
 

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1. Duration should be increased based on the size of the injectors.

2. The Timing REVO doesn't change your timing at the top, the Smarty locks the timing at 18.02*.

3. The SW# and the REVO software work independently of one another, meaning that SW9 is not the same as TM6, T4 and D5.(REVO on max)

4. Your trucks internals make a difference, Turbo Size, transmission type, torque converter stall speed. All play a factor on your abilities to tune your truck here, and in finding you which settings work best.

5. The Smarty S03's performance bump is only good for use really between 1,200 and 2,400rpm's, but this is the area your truck is using the most.

6. The S03 locks timing at 18.02*, but the amount of throttle required to lock the timing at that ratio changes based on the Timing level. Example T4 locks the timing at say 60% throttle, rather-wise T3 is 70%, T2 is 80% etc.

7. The higher the SW level the faster you hit %100 duration in relation to throttle input.  SW3 wont hit %100 until WOT. SW5 will hit %100 duration at %50 throttle input / SW7 Will hit %100 duration at 40% throttle input. SW9 will hit %100 duration at 30% throttle input. In order for timing to lock at 18* you must have %100 duration AKA 4095 on the databus for a fueling command.   

8. Smoke control can also be controlled by mechanical means, ie raising injector pop pressure.

 

Sections 5, 6, and 7, give a base for understanding how the smarty hits hard down low, yes it changes the torque down low, but its how hard you go into the throttle. Some of Nick's testing on the Smarty and cANbus testing thread does back up my claims and theories in my article.

I believe if you always go to 70% of your pedal all of the time, then the SW settings will not matter as much, but they do matter since the revo settings still control the other side of the smarty. Reaching 100% fueling command is one thing, the other is the control of fueling according to boost, and the timing of the engine at the rpm's. TM effects pre turbo fueling, and too much causes surge, not enough can take to long to light the turbo, now timing does effect this, but not in the case people think. Its dynamic, meaning that smashing the pedal down is variable, choosing what you feel can be challenging at times.

For example with me my truck on SW9 with the timing on 4 locks timing as quickly as 25% of the available throttle, which is to low for me with my built automatic. But back the timing off to 2 and it runs like an ape. Even if i keep the TM at 6 which smokes like a train till it spools. Conversely backing the smarty down to SW5 I notice the turbo lighting, and the surging/egt's are all different between Timing on 2 and timing on 4, and this is because of how much available throttle is needed before the smarty locks up the timing.

Now if you simply put your foot into the throttle say 60% of the way everywhere you go you won't see the differences as much as the controllability.