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the fire piston? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston I'm thinking about this whole thing and wondering how I can make a larger version and using a hatchet instead of your hand to ignite larger fuels. It fascinates me. How much compression do I need? How fast does it need to be? How hot does the temps get? There is a science behind this that I'm dying to know! :smart:

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the fire piston? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston I'm thinking about this whole thing and wondering how I can make a larger version and using a hatchet instead of your hand to ignite larger fuels. It fascinates me. How much compression do I need? How fast does it need to be? How hot does the temps get? There is a science behind this that I'm dying to know! :smart:

All listed right there on wikipedia...

How much compression do I need?

Fire pistons have a compression ratio of about 25 to 1. The piston of the firepiston is made deliberately narrow so that the force on the piston is not too great to make it impossible for unaided human strength to compress the air in the cylinder to its fullest extent.

How fast does it need to be?

Rapid compression of a gas (known as adiabatic compression) increases its pressure and its temperature at the same time. If this compression is done too slowly the heat will dissipate to the surroundings as the gas returns to equilibrium with them.

How hot does the temps get?

The compression of the air when the piston is quickly rammed into the cylinder causes the interior temperature to rise sharply to 260°C (500°F).

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I have heard of them before but did not relly understand what it was until now. that is pretty cool. Hope I never need one.

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Sorry! :doh: I just grabbed the link and did not bother to read!I find it a very secure way to make fire when needed. Not needing anything but some dry fuel and you got it! A very surefire thing to have for those of us who go in the remote areas for whatever.I would like to make mine from SS or aluminum and about 2" in diameter. About 12" long or so as well. Have not done the math on it yet, but it would be the right size or so. With the diameter in account, I was thinking of using a hatchet to attain the required force the rapid compression needed. We shall see!

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:thumb1: Aww Schucks... just send me some reputation points, and we can call it even! :thumbup2:

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I want one now...Things pretty sweet. Ill add it to my collection of tactical lights, guns , knifes and other stuff I think i need for zombies! :cookoo:

:lmao2::lmao: Don't have much problems with the zombies... It the wildlife out here you got to worry about... This big wolf was shot in New Meadows, ID... :stuned:post-2-138698182435_thumb.jpg So it would be nice to add the fire piston too my search and rescue bags for my ATV... Just in case I spend the night... But I typically carry a 9mm with me in the woods for the wildlife...

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Man, that thing is big. How tall is the man holding him up? I did realize a wolf grew that big.

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WOW that sucker is big. We dont have very much problems with wildlife here is north east texas. Bout the only thing I worry about is flooding. I spend most my time at albert pike. That place in the news a while back that has the huge flood. I was there. It was badddd.

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:gun: I say kill all the wolves! We don't need them damned canines in our neck of the woods screwing things up! I imagine the wolves have been thicker down in your neck of the woods, moparman, than mine. We visited the relatives down in the Kamiah area and all I could see were signs talking about how the wolves have decimated their wild game population...Any time I go into the woods, I carry my pistol, and atleast a rifle or shotgun with slugs. Sometimes both! Wolves, grizzlies, cougars, bigfoot... You don't mess around!BTW, the wolves that are making a fuss here in our state is the Canadian Shield wolf. These wolves are not indigenous to the area and are native to the yukons of Canada!If the bunny huggers want their wolves, get rid of the CS wolf and reintroduce the native grey wolf! :soap:

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Here is a cat that was tagged in North Bend Washington which is about 40-50 miles east of Seattle.Generally these leave you alone if you are out in the woods. They are hunted with hounds. But there have been cases where these cats have attacked farm animals and pets. If winters are really bad then they move in closer to human life and pick off the farm stuff.There are cases in Califormia (where they are not allowed to be hunted) where these cats have killed joggers. This thing was huge. It looked like in belonged in the African plains.post-11041-138698182526_thumb.jpg

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Seems to me this could also be made easily by converting one of the very small hand pumps for a bicycle tire. I have one at the house that matches the size specs almost perfect. It would just have to be modified for the ember holding and removal of the actual air hose to seal the end. Just a quick thought anyway. I will look into it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

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Well, its possible, I suppose. Very large fire piston! Their made to be a little more portable! :lol:Worked on this project last night. Was having trouble getting a groove cut in the dowel for the o-ring. Took me some time to figure out how to get it a bit functional. Still don't think I have it where I want it. Put my dowel in the drill and the end wobbled too much and did not give me a concentric groove.Wish I knew someone with a lathe!I broke down and did 2 o-rings next to each other and then did the super glue. Fidgeting around with it today. Takes form! The guy was not kidding when he said 50 tries. I have yet to get an ember to stay lit. I'm getting it burn some and have lots of smoke. The knob on the end reaally helps to push. As you have to push FAST and pretty hard.Using beeswax as my lube, too. Out of the materials I got last night:1. 2' section of 1/2" copper tube2. 4 1/2" caps3. 1 1/2" 3' oak dowel4. 9/16" o-rings5. 2" wooden knob ballsI soldered the caps on the copper for an airtight seal. Lots of lube in the beginning to get it to slide down the tube easier. With this much material, I'm able to make FOUR(4) fire pistons for less than $15!I think I'm gonna try making some char cloth and see how that goes. I don't want to have to use char cloth as that is not something readily available in the woods. Maybe some birch bark or moss?I'm wondering if the dimensions are the proper size. As it does not seem it needs this mush oomph to make it work. I was reading somewhere that some of them only require the push of your finger!

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I don't think you are familiar with the hand pumps I am referring to. It's only about 6 inches in length and 1/2 inch in diameter. Just meant to make minute pressure adjustments. Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

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This is neat. I'm thinking I have a junk mini-mag body in the scrap bin... (leaked batteries when forgotten over winter in camper). I bet it would make a good tube for this. Cutting a groove is no big deal on Southbend. Turning a plunger to fit is no issue either.

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