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#1 - I'm not an expert, and don't really have any personnel experience on the subject. #2 - This info is probably not going to be dead on or 100% true, but that's kinda gonna be the point of this thread. I want opinions voiced, and I want to be corrected if I'm wrong. Some of this info is old news to some of you, but I hope it could help some newbs that are wanting to upgrade injectors and/or turbo(s). First I'm going to post roughly how much horsepower a specific size 7 hole injector will add: (I use 7 hole, because it is the most common injector in a 24 valve - 6, 7, and 8 hole can be used on a 24V) 7x.0071 = Stock HO 7x.0075 = Stock SO 7x.0079 = RV275 7x.008 = +60HP/+70HP 7x.009 = +100HP/+125HP 7x.010 = +150HP 7x.011 = +175HP 7x.012 = +200HP 7x.013 = +225HP 7x.014 = +250HP Keep in mind, a specific size doesn't mean it adds a specific horsepower; it just depends on the injector. Here's some links to some very good information on injectors and turbos: 1( http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/98-5-02-performance-parts-discussion/216421-injector-myth.html 2( http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/98-5-02-performance-parts-discussion/216850-all-injector-info-youll-ever-want.html 3( http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/98-5-02-performance-parts-discussion/219043-injectors-turbos.html 4( http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/98-5-02-performance-parts-discussion/585794-turbo-spec-compilation.html As the first link talks about, a 7x.010 injector will work fine with an HX35, as long as there's not a wire tap programmer being used. It will just be very smokey. As the last link states, with a 7x.010 injector, a 62/68/12 turbo would be a nice application. With a wire tap programmer, a 62/+71/14 turbo would be a better application. Like I said at the beginning, I'm definitely not an expert, and I'm still a newb myself, but I wanted to get the ball rolling, even if my information is not detailed, or if it has errors, (which I'm sure it does) that's kinda the point; I want to hear different opinions on different turbo/injector setups, and and what worked best for your truck, whether you daily drive, tow, or sled pull. Y'all just pile any injector/turbo questions and information in this thread. Somebody with some first hand experience chime in, and correct all my mistakes. :tongue: Thanks to JohnFak for more info:

DDP Formula 1 (F1) Industrail injection Schied Farm boys diesel Coaltrain (not being made at this point as far as i know) Smokem/Southern Diesel extreme Injector Parts Edge Jammers (no longer made) Fireball Pro Monster Mikes Now to list what each Brand produces and the HP rating THEY give them. Info was taken directly from websites when available. DDP 50hp, 75hp, 100hp, 110hp, 125hp, 150hp, 200hp, 250hp "competion" and 300hp "competion" (most are 7 hole nozzles but they do offer a 200hp injectors with 8 holes) Formula 1 (uses a 7 hole nozzle) Mach 1 = 65hp Mach 1.6 = 90hp Mach 2 = 105hp Mach 3 = 130hp Mach 4 = 150hp Mach 5 = 200hp Mach 6 = 220hp Mach 7 = 240hp Mach 8 = ~270hp when used with nitrous, 230hp on fuel Industrial injection Dragon Fly = 100hp (7 hole?) Dragon Flow = 150hp (10 hole) Super Dragon Flow = 200+hp (11 hole) Schied Lightning 1 = 100hp (6 hole?) Lightning 2 = 150hp (6 x .012) Lightning 3 = ~250hp (6 x .016) Lightning 4 = 300hp+ (6 x .018) FBD 50hp, 100hp, 150hp, 200hp, 220hp and 240hp (7 hole standard and custom 6 hole injectors available) Coaltrain 50hp, 100hp, 150hp, 200hp, 240hp and maybe some customs in between ( all 7 hole that i know of) Smokem/Southern Diesel Extreme Smokem 100hp (7x .0085) Smokem 125hp (7x .010 310BAR) Smokem 150hp (7x .010 (.010 lift and stroke) 310BAR) Smokem 200hp (7x .012 310 BAR) Smokem 240hp (7x .012 (.010 lift and stroke) 310BAR) Smokem 250hp+ (7x14 and up custom order, these are comp only injector) Injector parts 200hp, 250hp, 300hp, and 350hp. (made by the same people that made jammer nozzles, 8 holes) Edge Jammers Jammer 1 = 50hp Jammer 2 = 75hp Jammer 3 = 100hp Jammer 4 = 125hp Jammer 5 = 150 hp (all 8 hole) Fireball Pro 50hp, 75hp, 100hp, 150hp, 200hp (? hole, couldnt find much info on them) Monster Mikes 200hp (6 x .013) 250hp+ (7 x .015) The link mike was talking about ..... is this one .... http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/94...breakdown.html

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I seem to be getting the same mileage as stock with my setup in my sig. Only thing I am questioning is the turbo. Only getting about 34-35psi. Did a bunch on researching and the common thing was this turbo pushes around 38-40psi with 150hp injectors.

Should I adjust the wastegate? It is hazy at WOT and EGT's can hit 1300. Not bad but I think this turbo should be able to easily clean up the 150's.

Got this turbo since it will be a great top turbo for my future twin setup. S472. Dont want to have to get a monster vp. Still might do the twins before a VP tap box. :)

Got my truck dynoed with Rv's and the new turbo, iirc around 283hp/605tq. Still need to with the bigger injectors. Here are a couple highway test vids.

*Vids*

  • 2 months later...

I stole some info off the Cummins Forum and put in the OP. :smart:

Some more from CF also .... DDP Formula 1 (F1) Industrail injection Schied Farm boys diesel Coaltrain (not being made at this point as far as i know) Smokem/Southern Diesel extreme Injector Parts Edge Jammers (no longer made) Fireball Pro Monster Mikes Now to list what each Brand produces and the HP rating THEY give them. Info was taken directly from websites when available. DDP 50hp, 75hp, 100hp, 110hp, 125hp, 150hp, 200hp, 250hp "competion" and 300hp "competion" (most are 7 hole nozzles but they do offer a 200hp injectors with 8 holes) Formula 1 (uses a 7 hole nozzle) Mach 1 = 65hp Mach 1.6 = 90hp Mach 2 = 105hp Mach 3 = 130hp Mach 4 = 150hp Mach 5 = 200hp Mach 6 = 220hp Mach 7 = 240hp Mach 8 = ~270hp when used with nitrous, 230hp on fuel Industrial injection Dragon Fly = 100hp (7 hole?) Dragon Flow = 150hp (10 hole) Super Dragon Flow = 200+hp (11 hole) Schied Lightning 1 = 100hp (6 hole?) Lightning 2 = 150hp (6 x .012) Lightning 3 = ~250hp (6 x .016) Lightning 4 = 300hp+ (6 x .018) FBD 50hp, 100hp, 150hp, 200hp, 220hp and 240hp (7 hole standard and custom 6 hole injectors available) Coaltrain 50hp, 100hp, 150hp, 200hp, 240hp and maybe some customs in between ( all 7 hole that i know of) Smokem/Southern Diesel Extreme Smokem 100hp (7x .0085) Smokem 125hp (7x .010 310BAR) Smokem 150hp (7x .010 (.010 lift and stroke) 310BAR) Smokem 200hp (7x .012 310 BAR) Smokem 240hp (7x .012 (.010 lift and stroke) 310BAR) Smokem 250hp+ (7x14 and up custom order, these are comp only injector) Injector parts 200hp, 250hp, 300hp, and 350hp. (made by the same people that made jammer nozzles, 8 holes) Edge Jammers Jammer 1 = 50hp Jammer 2 = 75hp Jammer 3 = 100hp Jammer 4 = 125hp Jammer 5 = 150 hp (all 8 hole) Fireball Pro 50hp, 75hp, 100hp, 150hp, 200hp (? hole, couldnt find much info on them) Monster Mikes 200hp (6 x .013) 250hp+ (7 x .015) The link mike was talking about ..... is this one .... http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/94-98-performance/436681-injector-breakdown.html :thumbup2:

Just adding more real life data to the mix...My 2001, which dyno'd at 501/1026 (on a bad clutch, ujoint, and VP44) was setup as follows:Scheid 150 hp injectors, 315/75/16 BFG KM2's, Edge Comp/TST Comp, NV4500, running a 65/71/14 S300. I typically ran the Edge on 3x5, and the TST on lvl 3 for daily driving. Hand calculated, with the GPS tracking mileage and speed, I ran a long road trip from Indiana to Iowa. On the way out, I was running 55 mph, and averaged 18 mpg highway speeds. On the way back, I was running in a hurry, running 75 mph, and my mileage dropped to 15 mpg.

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I know this is an old thread however it looks like the place to ask this question...How many holes are in the stock injectors? I thought the stock ones had 5 and  I just got some BD 40hp injectors part #1040275  and they only have 4 holes in the nozzle :think:  I was under the impression that it would have more holes for better atomization...

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Interesting, now I wish that I would have taken that job offer at Ohio Diesel Injection coming out of Diesel Mech HS vocational school.

Good job guys,

Dave