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[DISTURBED]

K I lately I have been extremely considering adding the 2 stroke oil in with my diesel fuel... I have always ran power service without any problems but lately all I have heard about is this 2 stroke oil..... so..... from what i gather it has to be ashless, and to use tcw-3....right?:confused: now I will most likely be using the wal-mart brand because of its availibilty everywhere you go..... so am i to lazy to measure but have been told that a gallon of it should last me 4 full tanks fulls.......if I am either on the right or wrong track please let me know

[gassernomore]

http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/cummins/general/2-cycle-oil/2-cycle-oil.htm Enjoy the reading. This will tell you just about eveything you would like to know about 2 cycle oil.

[Mopar1973Man]

Sorry to say your going to have to measure. You can't drop a full gallon of 2 cycle oil in an expect to get 4 full tanks of fuel. When I stop for fuel I pump in the amount of fuel and then add 1 oz of oil for every 1 gallon of fuel pumped so if I pumped 14 gallons then I add 14 ozs of 2 cycle oil. I keep a old quart with windows strip pour from a 1 gallon container. 4 years of this I'm still going no injector problems, no injection pump problems... (110 K miles) 75K miles of 2 cycle oil and all 6 injectors look good. http://forum.mopar1973man.com/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=178

[Wild and Free]

I have been having super luck with Schaeffers Soy shield fuel lube additive. My rigs all run smoother with it, most noticeable at idle notably cold start.

[LiveOak]

Agree with the above. What I found works out good for me is using a Stihl 2 stroke Oil bottle that treats 5 gallons of gas. I believe the bottle says it holds about 14.1 oz. but if you fill it up to the top, it holds about 16 oz.

I never allow the fuel level to drop below 3/4 of a tank as shown on the fuel gauge which usually nets about 16 gallons of diesel when filling up. This is just about the right mix ratio. I dump the bottle in before refueling and try to use the big over the road truck fuel nozzle whenever possible.

This makes it easy to carry around the 2 stroke oil in the back of my and the wife's truck ready to use.

On a side note, I also carry another Stihl 2 stroke oil bottle filled with Amalgamated Diesel Fuel additive. I use the Amalagamated TDR-WDA formula additive in winter:

http://www.amalgamatedinc.com/tdr-wda.aspx

And I use the TDR-S formula additive in summer:

http://www.amalgamatedinc.com/tdr-s.aspx

This may be a little over kill but it sure beats dealing with gelled or frozen fuel and fuel lines or a frozen Air Dog water separator filter in winter and helps fuel mileage a bit all season.

As Randy Walker at Amalgamated explained to me "the TDR-WDA treats at 1 to 300, has a cummins L-10 Detergency, added lubricity and winterization for year around protection. We have recently dynoed this product on a IH 1466 tractor with a straight 6, DT 436 motor and gained on average 3 percent gain in horsepower. Pricing - 1 5-gallon pale is $100.25 plus $35.00 shipping via FED EX. Our mailing address is 6211 Discount Dr., Fort Wayne IN 46818, the day we receive your check we will ship the product."

I ordered the fuel additive about 6 months ago so the prices may have changed since then. Give Randy a call and ask him about pricing before you send the check.

[DISTURBED]

Sorry to say your going to have to measure. You can't drop a full gallon of 2 cycle oil in an expect to get 4 full tanks of fuel.

I ment dividing the gallon into fourths ......... also say I went on vacation for a week and the truck just sat there...... would the 2 stroke oil and diesel start to seperate? :confused:

[LiveOak]

I ment dividing the gallon into fourths ......... also say I went on vacation for a week and the truck just sat there...... would the 2 stroke oil and diesel start to seperate? :confused:

Once the 2 stroke oil is mixed, it stays mixed in solution pretty well. Perhaps over a really long extended period it may settle out of solution.

[DISTURBED]

cool.... well I guess I will try it out on my next tank then

[Wild and Free]

Here is an intersting read. http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/meeting/2003/022003bosch.pdf

[Wild and Free]

THE RESULTS: These results are listed in the order of performance in the HFRR test. The baseline fuel used in every test started at an HFRR score of 636. The score shown is the tested HFRR score of the baseline fuel/additive blend. Also included is the wear scar improvement provided by the additive as well as other claimed benefits of the additive. Each additive is also categorized as a Multi-purpose additive, Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Lubricity only, non-conventional, or as an additive capable of treating both gasoline and diesel fuel. As a convenience to the reader there is also information on price per treated tank of diesel fuel (using a 26 gallon tank), and dosage per 26 gallon tank provided as “ounces of additive per 26 gallon tank”. In Order Of Performance: 1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement. 50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel 66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel Price: market value 2)Opti-Lube XPD Multi-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver, demulsifier HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement. 256:1 ratio 13 oz/tank $4.35/tank 3)FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas fuel treatment Gas and Diesel cetane improver, emulsifier HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement 640:1 ratio 5.2 oz/tank $2.60/tank 4)Opti-Lube Summer Blend Multi-purpose demulsifier HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement 3000:1 ratio 1.11 oz/tank $0.68/tank 5)Opti-Lube Winter Blend Muti-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement 512:1 ratio 6.5 oz/tank $3.65/tank 6)Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000 Multi-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver, emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.87/tank 7)Super Tech Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems) HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement 200:1 ratio 16.64 oz/tank $1.09/tank 8)Stanadyne Lubricity Formula Lubricity Only demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.00/tank 9)Amsoil Diesel Concentrate Multi-purpose demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement 640:1 ratio 5.2 oz/tank $2.16/tank 10)Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Multi-purpose Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement 400:1 ratio 8.32 oz/tank $1.58/tank 11)Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner Multi-purpose Alcohol free HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.36/tank 12)Stanadyne Performance Formula Multi-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver, demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement 480:1 ratio 6.9 oz/tank $4.35/tank 13)Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15w40, 5,000 miles used. Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems) HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement 200:1 ratio 16.64 oz/tank price: market value 14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant Gas or diesel HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change) 427:1 ratio 7.8 oz/tank $2.65/tank 15)B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change) 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $2.67/tank 16)FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power Multi-purpose + anti-gel Emulsifier, alcohol free HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.12/tank 17)Marvel Mystery Oil Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems) HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel. 320:1 ratio 10.4 oz/tank $3.22/tank 18)ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive Multi-purpose Cetane improver, emulsifier, alcohol free HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $2.38/tank 19)Primrose Power Blend 2003 Multi-purpose Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, emulsifier HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline 1066:1 ratio 3.12 oz/tank $1.39/tank CONCLUSIONS: Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the most strict requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association. Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially available diesel fuel. Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel. The cause for this is speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR testing and can be caused by alcohol or other components in the additives. Further investigation into the possibilities behind these poor results will investigated. Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of the baseline fuel could be considered to have no significant change. The repeatability of this test allows for a +/- 20 micron variability to be considered insignificant. CREDITS: This study would not have been possible without the participation of all companies involved and dieselplace.com. A special Thank You to all of the dieselplace.com members who generously donated toward this study and waited longer than they should have for the results. You folks are the best. Arlen Spicer, organizer.

[flagmanruss]

The WM 2 cycle oil is TCw3 rated, fine to use. It's all intended to burn clean & that's what you want. I've run WM Tech brand, Pensoil, what ever. I bought a couple of quart bottles of the stuff... I measure into the quart bottles when I "refill them" (about 3/4 full). I compress some of the air out of the bottles & they travel in my door pocket, just pour in a the fuel station, add fuel & go. I carry 2 in each door pocket & that'll carry me through most trips.Russ

Edited January 9, 2010 by flagmanruss

[Mopar1973Man]

I got a false deck in my bed of my truck that has a utility drawer under it. Beside the drawer I got 2 hollows that I keep chains on 1 side and 2 cycle oil on the other. So I keep a 1 gallon jug and old quart bootle to measue with.