Posted June 2, 201411 yr I just seen the PBO's initiative of furthering CO reduction, another 30%. The talking head on TV said the Chinese, Indian, and European communities are watching closely to 'make sure' WE are 'pulling our weight'. ........... Really????........ Chinese give a dang about what WE put in the air??? Or would there be a mandate on the amount of rubber dog crap being shipped in from the other side of the world... to help with CO emissions! ............maybe they are concerned on how 'we' are treating 'their' investment/interests????......... Edited June 2, 201411 yr by rancherman
June 2, 201411 yr Staff They say 'Chinese' to help take respobibility off our Gov't. officials for another tax that further erodes our freedom and persuit of happiness. That is obvious since the Chinese don't care how much pollution they emit. So bad over there in some cities you need to wash the particulates off your car each day. Just another pile of bs... way to make money without producing anything or working. Edited June 2, 201411 yr by JAG1
June 2, 201411 yr Owner Just remember one thing... "Nothing can be create or destroyed." So if I was to measure all the carbon in the world today it will be the same amount of carbon hundred years from now.
June 2, 201411 yr It is very small minded of people to think that China who is building a better life for its citizens by providing power from coal just as we did during our industrial revolution to present to think they need to do it different than us and stay away from coal, the cheapest and most abundant form of energy on the planet. Even our own legislatures realize after this cold winter we had that many of the coal fired plants in the eastern 1/3 of the country slated to come off line and be decommissioned in the next year or two were all running at 89% of capacity on top of all the other forms of energy, this is called base load power and can not be supplied reliably from renewable sources now matter how much they dream at night. Obamas dream of shutting down the base load grid from coal plants is a dream that will not come to life, it is not a realistic option at this point with the amount of demand on todays electrical grid.
June 2, 201411 yr Author Just remember one thing... "Nothing can be create or destroyed." So if I was to measure all the carbon in the world today it will be the same amount of carbon hundred years from now. yep, exactly.. a couple of years ago, I tweeted some feelings I had on this whole debacle, and essentially it was ' Except for the odd rocket ship (deep space) or the meteorite/crap from space, nothing comes or goes in our 'system'.... I will concede there are times 'man' probably can tip the balance on how much is 'free'... but just 1 belch of a volcano makes our piddly existence pretty mute! I went on to support cows on grass . whether or not they burp, belch. or fart. It's simple! : Grass grows, and it grabs CO out of the air. It puts O2 back to atmosphere, and the C is sequestered in the plant, root ball, and eventually the soil... So, It doesn't matter if the blades of grass are digested in a stomach of a cow, or left 'un eaten'... they will eventually release the sequestered CO . Wild fire, or when the plant dies in the winter and rots down next spring.. It ALL comes back! I was approached a few years back about the Carbon credit thing.. Some group/agency wanted me to sign up for sequestering C, in my soil and plants.. (are you kidding me? ) seriously, talk about the perfect racket! Reward me for doing something my whole life, and generations before me, and tax the people ( industry, consumers etc..) for putting out 'too much'.. Racket, racket, racket!!! Oh, but it SURE looked good in DC, being 'green' and all!! I think that program has fizzled, at least in the 'reward' department! I wouldn't be surprised if 'donations' are still being accepted from the Carbon liberators!
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June 2, 201411 yr Author It is very small minded of people to think that China who is building a better life for its citizens by providing power from coal just as we did during our industrial revolution to present to think they need to do it different than us and stay away from coal, the cheapest and most abundant form of energy on the planet. Even our own legislatures realize after this cold winter we had that many of the coal fired plants in the eastern 1/3 of the country slated to come off line and be decommissioned in the next year or two were all running at 89% of capacity on top of all the other forms of energy, this is called base load power and can not be supplied reliably from renewable sources now matter how much they dream at night. Obamas dream of shutting down the base load grid from coal plants is a dream that will not come to life, it is not a realistic option at this point with the amount of demand on todays electrical grid. Nebraska has 2 nuclear power plants. 1 has been cold since the Japanese tsunami/earthquake.. (plus that is when the Missouri river was out of it's banks too).. I am also in the middle of a proposed large wind turbine project... (and the XL pipeline) Can someone tell me if they are so dang concerned about CO, why the heck are they even considering making crude oil even more plentiful???? and at the same time offering incentives for these 'green' projects??? Nebraska really is pretty flush with electricity. we have the 2 aforementioned nukes, several 'paid for' coal plants, and at least 3 hydroelectric dams off the Missouri river system... and the result is some of the most affordable juice in the Nation. This wind project is slated to have all the juice go 'out of state'... thus connecting us 'to the grid'... and guess who pays for this hook-up fee?? yep. I do. Our cheap juice days are gone with the wind! (so to speak).
June 2, 201411 yr Owner I don't care if the fuel you buy is gasoline or diesel or any other liquid hydrocarbon. It all based on the chains of carbon and hydrogen the shorter the chains the lower the BTU's. Hence why gasoline is lower BTU's than diesel because diesel is a longer chain. Still in all the carbon is converted to carbon-dioxide, carbon monoxide, etc. Hydrogen burns and joins with oxygen again during the burning and creates water typically.
June 2, 201411 yr CO2 emissions.....................why in "Sam Hell" is the occupant of the white house "jet-setting" to Hawaii every chance he gets??? On "OUR DIME" no less. He's the biggest hypocrite that's ever occupied the white house.
June 3, 201411 yr Owner How about the USFS out here in Idaho lighting controlled burns because its too expensive for logging companies to meet environmentalist requirements to log now. So USFS idea is to burn our forest instead of logging and cleaning up. You should see the massive scars of forest that are nothing but burnt tree poles. But there contrl burn files the canyons full of smake and CO2 emissions.
June 3, 201411 yr I believe that the world to a large degree is self regulating. Yes species come and go, but so what. There are pleanty of people in the world to make up for loss of animals, birds, fish. We will soon have the only utopian country in the world and be totally broke.
June 3, 201411 yr Staff I think Obama is pure American plastic (depending of course, where his birth certificate originates from). IHO, all he is doing is setting up a campaign direction for Hillary by trying to suck more Dems into voting for her with this phony ploy. He knows it works ,even without coherent reason, since Liberals will suck it all up out of rebellion and hate toward the Republican. I look at how they rebel without proper reason against God's precepts Me..... I'm neither a Dem nor Rep. I vote out of reasoning with what God's law says. The Bible even states that those concerned about the 'whole earth' near the end times will be on the wrong path to true faith. The Bible also states thousands of years before the industrial revolution and invention of the combustion engine that the earth will become polluted near the end times. Mopar Mike, I fully understand your point about CO. iT'S A VERY GOOD ONE indeed. Makes things look like it's just another Government ploy. I say they get no more money till they learn to live on a budget. Edited June 3, 201411 yr by JAG1
June 3, 201411 yr Author I believe that the world to a large degree is self regulating. Yes species come and go, but so what. There are pleanty of people in the world to make up for loss of animals, birds, fish. We will soon have the only utopian country in the world and be totally broke. "utopian" Man, THAT'S a zillion dollar word! All the special interest groups that have lobbied/whined for a disease free, accident proof, pure air/water, crime free, poverty free.... gun free, std free,(ok that one goes into disease catergory) .AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST.. FREEDOM FROM RESPONSIBILITY/ Loss that occurs on life's bumpy path... (Mandatory insurance for just about every facet in our lives) but at the same time they want cheap plentiful food, fuel, housing, clothing, medical care, water, air, transportation, wilderness areas... Unfortunately, all these things need taxable income! I agree with your 'self regulating'.. ...temp goes up, more water vapor is in the air, and the shading effect (clouds and fog) cools the earth. pretty simple! and even will point out the well documented 'ice ages' that occurred LONG before Mr. Cummins designed his first prototype! CHANGE is what keeps this ol ball of mud healthy, and prosperous. Change has been and always will be crucial in our environment. Just as winter melts away into spring, new life starts. Change 'weeds' out the poorer genetics. ..... oh, but these days, we can't 'leave' anyone behind!!!.......
June 3, 201411 yr Author I think Obama is pure American plastic (depending of course, where his birth certificate originates from). IHO, all he is doing is setting up a campaign direction for Hillary by trying to suck more Dems into voting for her with this phony ploy. He knows it works ,even without coherent reason, since Liberals will suck it all up out of rebellion and hate toward the Republican. I look at how they rebel without proper reason against God's precepts Me..... I'm neither a Dem nor Rep. I vote out of reasoning with what God's law says. The Bible even states that those concerned about the 'whole earth' near the end times will be on the wrong path to true faith. The Bible also states thousands of years before the industrial revolution and invention of the combustion engine that the earth will become polluted near the end times. Mopar Mike, I fully understand your point about CO. iT'S A VERY GOOD ONE indeed. Makes things look like it's just another Government ploy. I say they get no more money till they learn to live on a budget. ^^^^^^^YEP! racket, racket, racket! ^^^^^^^^
June 3, 201411 yr Staff ^^^^^^^YEP! racket, racket, racket! ^^^^^^^^ Do you say that because just you and me changing water pump or alternator gets more work than the Gov't does all year? Or........ you've hear this over an over already? Edited June 3, 201411 yr by JAG1
June 3, 201411 yr Author Do you say that because just you and me changing water pump or alternator gets more work than the Gov't does all year? Or........ you've hear this over an over already? I look at it as if 'they' ever solve a problem, then what would they do then? I swear, 'they' have the best job security ever devised!... ......Don't ever fix anything, and blame the other-side-of-the-aisle when it goes south...... This country needs a Linux version of Govt... right Mike?? ;) (hard to corrupt, and light-on-it's-feet) Edited June 3, 201411 yr by rancherman
June 4, 201411 yr Owner This country needs a Linux version of Govt... right Mike?? ;) (hard to corrupt, and light-on-it's-feet) Yea... But you missed one. Gov't supported by volunteers and work for free. Not the currently over paid bunch of dumb 's...
June 7, 201411 yr Green is the new red. It really is all just BS designed to control. And I really can't figure out why I should care what the ChiComs community or the European community, or any other community thinks for that matter. Our govt is an organized crime syndicate. Nothing more.
June 7, 201411 yr I was at a yard sale. Girl asked the owner who was selling a woodstove...what will we do when all the trees are gone? I could see a statement coming from someone in Arizona, but in Oregon??? All we have is trees! Thinking like this is what drives the believability of the the global warming and carbon footprint grow government crowd. Edited June 7, 201411 yr by joecool911
I just seen the PBO's initiative of furthering CO reduction, another 30%.
The talking head on TV said the Chinese, Indian, and European communities are watching closely to 'make sure' WE are 'pulling our weight'.
........... Really????........ Chinese give a dang about what WE put in the air???
Or would there be a mandate on the amount of rubber dog crap being shipped in from the other side of the world... to help with CO emissions!
............maybe they are concerned on how 'we' are treating 'their' investment/interests????.........
Edited by rancherman