Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

4 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Like myself I've got rather smallish injectors where I can ramp up aggressively and still be rather smokeless running. Now like @TFaoro he's got to ramp up slow and be more careful about settings because of the larger injectors. Name of the game is to feed as much fuel as possible across the full fuel and boost map without smoking excessively. When you get smoke then your basically flooding the cylinder without enough boost pressure to ignite the fuel completely. I'm still attempting to get better handle on all the setting and relearning with every flash upgrade. 

 

Like with my set up I enjoy the idea that the injectors are small and need to use the Quadzilla Adrenaline to push beyond the stock rates. This makes for good control yet and MPG values. I'm still waiting for @Me78569 and @TFaoro to catch me in the MPG game. The horse power game has already been played out we all know how far these trucks will go with HP/TQ but has anyone play the efficiency game to 30 MPG? Not yet on the 24 valved trucks. I'm going to attempt to beat my previous 27.2 MPG by any amount.

Lol I have a smooth stream of smoke at idle so my mpg numbers will never be any more than the low 20s at best. I'm a happy camper with 20mpg though! 

 

At the end of the day it's all about what you want. I want as much power as possible, decent mpgs, and be able to tow anything without melting the engine apart. 

 

Your goals are towing, excellent mpgs and enough power to have fun. The great thing about the quad is it'll accommodate both of us no matter what we want! 

 

Here you go gang. I found an easy way to build fuel maps for the Quadzilla. 

http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/math/exponential-growth-calculator.htm

 

So I started out by setting my "Enter initial value (x0)" to 100 which is where I want my starting point of my fuel map. I set my "Enter growth/decay rate (r)" to 1.3% then enter 30 to "Enter time (t)" to see when the max value hit. Then start at 0 and work your way up plugging the numbers into Quadzilla. Makes a nice clean curve for the fuel map. If you want it steeper you can increase growth rate 0.1 or 0.2 higher. Works good. Now I'm just a gray haze in lvl 3 or lvl 6. So I've got it nailed down just about right for my truck. This calculator makes a nice exponential curve for the fuel map. Here is what I've got now. 

 

1. 101
2. 102
3. 103
4. 105
5. 106
6. 108
7. 109
8. 110
9. 112
10. 113
11. 115
12. 116
13. 118
14. 119
15. 121
16. 122
17. 126
18. 129
19. 132
20. 136
21. 139
22. 143
23. 147

 

Edited November 9, 20168 yr by Mopar1973Man

I thought somewhere Nick has mentioned that anything above 130is isn't doing much.

Did you just rounded it off to closest number?

Edited November 9, 20168 yr by Dieselfuture

The ECM will command a fueling message of 3600 in stock form.  So since 4095 is the max 4095/3600 = 1.13 or 113% at WOT fuel fuel form the ecm will get you to the max,  

 

 

However we typically want to max it out sooner, so you use a higher % before peak ecm fueling to allow for max fuel sooner.  

I figured it wouldn't be a simple answer, even though it sounds simple enough.

Driving right now on my custom MPG tune, My EGT is around 550 and boost around 3, liometer is above 30, hoping to see decent numbers. I don't believe I've ever seen my EGT this slow cruising at 55 60

It never is an easy answer.

 

Use the datalogging feature to get an idea about how it work.  you can export ot spreadsheet and build a graph of the fueling curve.    that visual-ness will give you a better understanding of how the fueling works. 

Is anyone else having trouble with the quad picking up the last known setting after the truck has been turned off?

 

 

Anyone else on an idevice?

 

5 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

Is anyone else having trouble with the quad picking up the last known setting after the truck has been turned off?

 

 

Anyone else on an idevice?

 

To be clear you are talking about the Power Level reverting back to LVL0 after you turn the truck off?

Edited November 9, 20168 yr by Me78569

Correct.

My first thought is the BATT +12V lead on the Quadzilla Adrenaline isn't hooked up. 

2 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

My first thought is the BATT +12V lead on the Quadzilla Adrenaline isn't hooked up. 

So yes, but it's still getting 12v when the truck is off.

What fuse is you're tapping?  What are the odds that something funky in the CTM causes a prolonged 12v that goes away after an hour or some given period of time?  Maybe somehting with the lights I dunno just thinking out loud.

 

 

Does it revert back to lvl0 if you turn the truck off for say 30 seconds?  

 

Onyl thing I am thinking of is that there used to be some trucks that just would not hold the setting using fuse 9 or 7 or whatever it is you are supposed to use.  They switched to another fuse and bam it started working.  this was a number of years ago, but it comes to mind since you have a late truck

Edited November 10, 20168 yr by Me78569

2 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

What fuse is your's tapping?  What are the odds that something funky in the CTM causes a prolonged 12v that goes away after an hour?  

- In cab it's number 9 (ignition I believe)  and under the hood for the 12v is whatever the edge use to be plugged into, can't remember though and will have to go take a look.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

 

Does it revert back to lvl0 if you turn the truck off for say 30 seconds?  

 

Yes.  Time doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

2 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

 

Onyl thing I am thinking of is that there used to be some trucks that just would not hold the setting using fuse 9 or 7 or whatever it is you are supposed to use.  They switched to another fuse and bam it started working.  this was a number of years ago, but it comes to mind since you have a late truck

 

Not quite sure but I took a multi-meter to it a few time both on and off and it's always hot.

Cool thanks.  I would call Spencer and ask him whats up.  I was gonna look at a wire diagram and see what I find.   

 

did you extend the wire for the 12v lead?  Might be worth probing the big quad connector for power on that pin to make sure the box is getting power.

 

 

@Carbur8tr

 

Also if the Quad reverts to lvl0 it also reverts to the default tune...or I think it does. 

 

 

Yes but I'm confident at this point that it's not the harness that's the issue.  I might try to run it to the battery and see if that changes anything, but honestly this has been happening prior to modifying the harness and it was connected to the battery.  I just thought it was normal.

 

Might be the fact that I'm using an ipad but who knows.  I'll give Spencer a call tomorrow and see if he knows anything.

I haven't had any issues like you describe, could it be software or an app problem. Maybe try to reload everything. 

Yea not normal give him a call.  

 

The iPad shouldn't have anything to do with it. 

Hey Guys I have an issue. When ever I plug my ADR into the computer, the usb connection seems to "reset" every 10 seconds, and the flash tool does not see the module. I followed all of the prompts and instructions for setting up the hardware, this ADR is brand new from Thoro bred diesel.

 

Any possibility I got an ADR with a bad USB-Serial converter? What do you guys think?

The disconnecting is normal. 

 

Did you force install the driver for the quad?  What Operating system are you running?  the Quad is fine, but I am guessing you need to install the drivers for the box.

Edited November 11, 20168 yr by Me78569

No, I did not, how do I force the driver? I tried it on a windows 8 PC, and a windows 10 pc running windows 7 compatability mode.