Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
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Already tried that and it still just felt/looked to be a little too early to me.  Again, I didn't feel any surging but I felt like it ramped up super quick and even in daily driving conditions. Who knows, maybe it's just me.

 

Might also be that I have a stick and use a little more of the RPM range for daily driving then you or Tyler.

As long as it is sub 20* up to 2000 revs and sub 24* at 3000 I wouldn';t worry about it much.

 

 

When you get time shoot over a data log of the timing on one of your runs with timing limit set to 11*

25 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

Might also be that I have a stick and use a little more of the RPM range for daily driving then you or Tyler.

AFAIK I'm the only one getting surging. Not sure what the issues is, but it had something to do with the timing being too high too early. 

 

Don't be scared of the timing coming in hard. If you ever had a chance to look at smarty you'd know what I'm saying. 

3 hours ago, TFaoro said:

AFAIK I'm the only one getting surging. Not sure what the issues is, but it had something to do with the timing being too high too early. 

 

Don't be scared of the timing coming in hard. If you ever had a chance to look at smarty you'd know what I'm saying. 

Ive been driving V2.1 the last three days with no issues. Working on my fueling, but Ill be messing with my timing tune soon

Been wonderful to run the tune I've got. I've been hauling hay for a job. Excellent power, still very smoke free for the most part. I do see a light puff of smoke but clears up rather quickly even towing. EGT's are still really low even running the highway at 60-65 MPH. Even climbing grades. What I've got on the trailer is five one ton hay bails. Still got enough power that in 3rd gear if I get into the power it will break the tires loose. 

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 20168 yr by Mopar1973Man

Glad you are liking it @mopar1973man .  I am pretty darn happy.

 

I still need to a way to limit timing based upon revs, been mulling that over.

Edited December 4, 20168 yr by Me78569

That's a stout load.  

12 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Been wonderful to run the tune I've got. I've been hauling hay for a job. Excellent power, still very smoke free for the most part. I do see a light puff of smoke but clears up rather quickly even towing. EGT's are still really low even running the highway at 60-65 MPH. Even climbing grades. What I've got on the trailer is five one ton hay bails. Still got enough power that in 3rd gear if I get into the power it will break the tires loose. 

 

 

 

That's a pretty good sized load for a bumper pull! I'm assuming the trailer has 7K axles?

Be mindful of your receiver hitch's weight capacity 

Not sure about the trailer specs it Tyler Jones trailer he wanted it loaded and hauled. So I supplied the Cummins using my RV 2 5/16 ball hitch. Still in all the power is great. I ended up losing my towing tune with all the phone switch I've done for MoparMom. So I'm going to rename my Empty Truck tune to "Clean Tune" being it works very well for towing too. Now I'm going to build a performance tune that is more aggressive like the Edge Comp was on 5x5. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Not sure about the trailer specs it Tyler Jones trailer he wanted it loaded and hauled. So I supplied the Cummins using my RV 2 5/16 ball hitch. Still in all the power is great. I ended up losing my towing tune with all the phone switch I've done for MoparMom. So I'm going to rename my Empty Truck tune to "Clean Tune" being it works very well for towing too. Now I'm going to build a performance tune that is more aggressive like the Edge Comp was on 5x5. 

 

 

Just remember your receiver is rated at 10K  

 

I'm working on "taming" the smarty  

Starting at 50% I've still got a bit of smoke off the line, but it's very hard to get moving with the way off-idle is working. @Me78569 I have some ideas on this as it seems to be worst at low throttle input. 

I was able to get the Quad installed on my truck today.  It was dark and sleeting out by the time I finished the install so I only drove it around the section to make sure there were no problems.  Looking forward to the morning drive to work.

3 hours ago, TFaoro said:

Just remember your receiver is rated at 10K  

 

I'm working on "taming" the smarty  

Starting at 50% I've still got a bit of smoke off the line, but it's very hard to get moving with the way off-idle is working. @Me78569 I have some ideas on this as it seems to be worst at low throttle input. 

Give me your thoughts?

@Me78569 can you try out my XM2 tune at your starting percent? I am interested to know what mileage you get. Attached is the .xls version if you want to try it. I just make a formula to add X amount of fuel to each scale so its easy to use on differently modded trucks. I am seeing 31 MPG on the overhead @ 70MPH.

 

Also what do you think of 12* @ 80% Scaling?

Quad Tune Calculator.xlsx

I will once I get the truck back on the ground, she is up waiting on u joints and a center support.   

 

My mileage seems to follow cruise timing variable pretty close, my best mpg comes at around 3.5% timing so far, netting ~19.50* at 65.  

 

 

12* at %80 gives you a pretty nice timing curve, not to aggresive that would max out before 25* total timing up top.    If the truck is happy and you are happy...........I am happy haha

 

 

 

One note looking at your tune, You Wiretap Max TPS % is 99% if you got WOT while boost is below 10psi the quad will set psi to 10psi and ignore the map sensor.    just in case you noticed wierd fueling down low. 

 

 

Hey Guys,

 

I did a quick experiment the other night regarding max timing. Here is my results

 

All tests were done on the same tune, with timing scaling at 53%.

 

Starting conditions were 80* ambient, coasting 40MPH in 4th Gear 1:1 ~1500RPMs

 

Test performed: Time from 0PSI to 20 PSI boost.

clock starts at 100%TPS.

 

Test 1 Max timing 15* - 0-20PSI = 2.16 Seconds

Test 2 Max timing 10* - 0-20PSI = 2.09 Seconds

Test 3 Max timing 8* - 0-20PSI = 2.07 Seconds

Test 4 Max timing 6* - 0-20PSI = 2.09 Seconds.

 

I did this test with an IPhone, so there could be up to 0.09 seconds error from reaction time.

Great info,

 

What happens if you use your 12* with %80 scaling for timing limit, but use 3-5* of timing on the timing reduction variable?  

 

That should make your boost climb like test 4, since it will hold timing lower longer, but keep timing up top near 25*.  Cake and eat it too.   

12 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

I will once I get the truck back on the ground, she is up waiting on u joints and a center support.   

 

My mileage seems to follow cruise timing variable pretty close, my best mpg comes at around 3.5% timing so far, netting ~19.50* at 65.  

 

 

12* at %80 gives you a pretty nice timing curve, not to aggresive that would max out before 25* total timing up top.    If the truck is happy and you are happy...........I am happy haha

 

 

 

One note looking at your tune, You Wiretap Max TPS % is 99% if you got WOT while boost is below 10psi the quad will set psi to 10psi and ignore the map sensor.    just in case you noticed wierd fueling down low. 

 

 

Good point on the pump TPS, I haven't been running above PL3, so no issues yet, but I will set everything back to 100% when I go to the track on the 16th. if you would like me to test any specific timing curves let me know.

 

I will be doing data logs from each run on the track, I am setting up a throttle limiter which I will use to test stock fueling @ 20%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 80%, and 100% max TPS to start. From there I will adjust my tunes and try to get my aggressive tunes dialed in. then I can use that data to dial in the Daily / Screw around Tunes.

3 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Great info,

 

What happens if you use your 12* with %80 scaling for timing limit, but use 3-5* of timing on the timing reduction variable?  

 

That should make your boost climb like test 4, since it will hold timing lower longer, but keep timing up top near 25*.  Cake and eat it too.   

I like the way you think sir, I will try this at the track on Test Tune 1

 

 

Edited December 8, 20168 yr by xxTJRocksxx
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Timing timing timing = awesome.  First day in a while that I haven't been pulling something and finally did a few rips with the new timing.

 

 

 

And just as a comparison of raw values

 

Old Tune

 

 

And from today's run.

 

 

So funny story here... I noticed I was losing ECM voltage slowly through the data which you can tell a little from the first data chart and the one right above... Turns out I had a bad battery but would have never thought twice about it unless I was data logging.  CCA tested out below 100 amps haha needless to say it was gone and was replaced earlier this week.  That and now my fuel pressure is starting to bug me the more I see in the data where it dropped to 8-9 PSI during some of those pulls.

 

@Me78569 I hate to bring this up, but I think the upper end of the boost pressure reading is either showing a little bit of an error or the cold air is effecting the overall pressure.  You know my data fairly well and never have you or I seen over 42 psi, well that is until recently.  I have this set of data then yesterday's where I pulled numbers over 45psi.  Any thoughts?  I've included the data below. No rush, just seeing what you thought.

 

New Timing WOT 12-08-2016.xlsx

Hard Acceleration 10-30-2016.xlsx  

 

Edited December 9, 20168 yr by Carbur8tr

@Carbur8tr

 

I gave you more boost for free 

 

 

 

 

I'll look and see but honestly the boost thing isn't of huge concern to me provided it is stable down low.  

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

 

@Me78569 I hate to bring this up, but I think the upper end of the boost pressure reading is either showing a little bit of an error or the cold air is effecting the overall pressure.  You know my data fairly well and never have you or I seen over 42 psi, well that is until recently.  I have this set of data then yesterday's where I pulled numbers over 45psi.  Any thoughts?  I've included the data below. No rush, just seeing what you thought.

 

I would not be worried about 3psi. 

So, I THINK I've seen more boost with more timing, although I don't have definitive data to back that up. I might work with @Me78569 to get that data for sure. Might work on the pulling timing as well to see the effects.