Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

Thanks for the advice @Carbur8tr, I'm not sure what I did differently the second time here but everything works.  Maybe the first time it sensed that @TFaoro was watching and it decided to spite him or something...

Great to hear, Noted that tyler is bad luck  haha.

The only difference in the two times I downloaded the .api and installed it was the OS i was using.  First was on the Mac side of my computer, and the app wouldn't show timing, canbus, or coolant temp.  The second time was on windows 7 and everything is working great with the box on the hard fuel tune.  I wonder if the way iTunes interacts with the phone is different for Mac vs. Windows and that's why it got screwed up.

Hey guys, Still putting the truck back together, hopefully driving at the end of this week! all caught up on the thread though! @Me78569 you are doing an awesome job with this stuff man!

Like I just bought another bug forward for fly by wire cruise control folks. I found that cruise timing is flat as a rock and doesn't vary at all. So at 40 MPH or so it kicks into cruise timing and holds the exact same timing all the way to 80 MPH like an old P7100 pump. This doesn't work for the economy purpose at all. Part of this problem is the TPS signal is ZERO during cruise control so the Quadzilla just holds cruise timing all the time even if the truck starts climbing a 6-7% grade. I think there should be a certain amount of retard vs boost too so as the load comes on, boost rises the timing should start to retard some too hopefully to keep the efficiency up. 

If boost is rising it will, now, kick out of cruise timing and back into normal timing.  I want cruise state to only be used when the truck is truly at cruise state, once load comes up it needs to jump out of cruise state and into your normal timing map.  

 

I am going to change the way cruise timing is calced though, you setting for timing will be at 80 mph, so if you want 19* at 65 then you should set your cruise timing to ~20.5*  so that at 65 timing has fallen a bit.   

 

 

13 hours ago, xxTJRocksxx said:

Hey guys, Still putting the truck back together, hopefully driving at the end of this week! all caught up on the thread though! @Me78569 you are doing an awesome job with this stuff man!

Good to hear you're getting it back together. Hopefully not too much has changed since you've been down!

 

3 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Like I just bought another bug forward for fly by wire cruise control folks. I found that cruise timing is flat as a rock and doesn't vary at all. So at 40 MPH or so it kicks into cruise timing and holds the exact same timing all the way to 80 MPH like an old P7100 pump. This doesn't work for the economy purpose at all. Part of this problem is the TPS signal is ZERO during cruise control so the Quadzilla just holds cruise timing all the time even if the truck starts climbing a 6-7% grade. I think there should be a certain amount of retard vs boost too so as the load comes on, boost rises the timing should start to retard some too hopefully to keep the efficiency up. 

I don't remember mine staying rock solid at a number whether doing 60 or 80. I thought with high load the ECM had some weight and would pull timing down? Maybe I just didn't notice. 

 

3 hours ago, Me78569 said:

If boost is rising it will, now, kick out of cruise timing and back into normal timing.  I want cruise state to only be used when the truck is truly at cruise state, once load comes up it needs to jump out of cruise state and into your normal timing map.  

 

I am going to change the way cruise timing is calced though, you setting for timing will be at 80 mph, so if you want 19* at 65 then you should set your cruise timing to ~20.5*  so that at 65 timing has fallen a bit.   

 

 

The hardest part with this is finding a system that works for everyone. Going up a 6% grade @Mopar1973Man might be at 50% load and 25psi of boost while I'm at 30% load and 35psi of boost. I don't know how you're going to work through a method that will work for everyone without a user defined value. Hopefully you'll come up with something, but I'm skeptical. Not doubting! Just skeptical  

Alright I need everyones input on this. 

 

 

What if the Quad used the wiretap tps low +%5 -%10 limit as the upper limit for cruise state?  In a MPG tune there is absolutely 0 reason to have wiretap going when at cruise.  All it will do is decrease MPG.

 

 

IE so if you wiretap low limit is %20 then cruise state will engage as it does now, up until say %30 tps?

 

Thoughts? issues?  I am trying VERY hard to not add another tuning variable.

7 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Alright I need everyones input on this. 

 

 

What if the Quad used the wiretap tps low +%5 -%10 limit as the upper limit for cruise state?  In a MPG tune there is absolutely 0 reason to have wiretap going when at cruise.  All it will do is decrease MPG.

 

 

IE so if you wiretap low limit is %20 then cruise state will engage as it does now, up until say %30 tps?

 

Thoughts? issues?  I am trying VERY hard to not add another tuning variable.

Fly by wire CC doesn't have a TPS input....

AHHH I HATE MY LIFE    

@TFaoro

What if I convert that low TPS into load, which is really is?  So if wire tps low is %20 I add %10 and convert that into a load value?  

So in this example if TPS low is set to %20, I do load of %30 as the low limit?  

 

18 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

AHHH I HATE MY LIFE    

@TFaoro

What if I convert that low TPS into load, which is really is?  So if wire tps low is %20 I add %10 and convert that into a load value?  

So in this example if TPS low is set to %20, I do load of %30 as the low limit?  

 

I would NOT convert that TPS value into load for wiretap. You could end up with a "runaway" or "shutdown" as the load value increases/decreases with wiretap input and constant TPS. 

However again you run into the issue of different setups if you only change it for cruise state. I have wiretap starting at 5% because I don't come off of level 2 unless I want to do some playing. Keeping that TPS low gives me a lot of control over wiretap with my foot when I "play." Let me look through the custom tuning variables and see if I have any ideas. Give me a couple hours. 

Sorry that's not wha tI meant. 

 

I meant in order to try and use TPS as the limit for cruise I would take that low tps setting, add %10 to it and use that %30 as a high limit on load for engaging cruise state.  

 

I do see your issue though with wiretaplow limit being low.   Not really a great solution. 

 

It really needs to be a psi limit for cruise timing :banghead: 

Mine reads 0%  TPS while in cruise. Up hill, down hill, no hill. I can push the throttle and it will show, but nothing if CC is running things.

I need a few testers to try out a much improved, beta cruise timing function..at least I hope improved.  

 

Will need to be guys doing highway traveling between 45 and 80 mph.  

Right up my alley. I do that every Friday and Monday. Can you send me a spare Quad since that is the only part I dont have?

46 minutes ago, dripley said:

Right up my alley. I do that every Friday and Monday. Can you send me a spare Quad since that is the only part I dont have?

you'd have to rip it out of my cold dead hands at this point.  I don't know that there is a measurement for the blood sweat and tears put into the coding at this point. 

 

I don't kepe track of hours of obvious reasons.

2 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

you'd have to rip it out of my cold dead hands at this point.  I don't know that there is a measurement for the blood sweat and tears put into the coding at this point. 

 

I don't kepe track of hours of obvious reasons.

It was worth a try. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

FYI the cruise timing changes seem to be working beautifully    

Just so you know from my stand point, without a Quad, it is very apparent that you have invested a lot of your time on this and when I do make the change I will benefit from it. Thanks for the hard work ahead of time.

Meh it was mostly to benefit myself, I got tired of having to borrow Tyler's smarty to pass emissions.

 

Then Tyler drove me like a slave driver and Mike did some complaining and here we are now