Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
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I guess it's just a terminology thing. I've never hear the pre 2006 protocols called CAN, simple SAE J1939, ISO 9141, SAE J1850, etc. In 2006 it switched to a 11 Bit CAN and everything went CAN, not just the ECM. 

I dunno where "canbus" came from when talking about tuners that connect to the data link.  The oh so common " canbus tuners limits to 65 hp" has been thrown around since before I owned a 2nd gen.  

 

So yes it is just "SAE j1939"  The name canbus doesn't appear to come about until later, but it appears to just be a nomencalture difference.  j1939 uses CAN 2.0b for physical and data link layer.  

 

 

Regardless not really that important.  Is it canbus? kinda yes and kinda no, it techinally uses canbus.

Edited October 30, 20168 yr by Me78569

Yeah I agree it's not that important, it was just not what I expected to see for a VP truck...

 

Anyhow back to the good stuff :-)

2 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

Anyhow back to the good stuff :-)

If you call good stuff crazy high timing that I would never have expected  

3 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

If you call good stuff crazy high timing that I would never have expected  

 

What are you running now?

 

We have to remember VP timing and HPCR timing are not the same thing, especially at low fuel flow rates. 

Edited October 30, 20168 yr by AH64ID

4 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

 

What are you running now?

 

We have to remember VP timing and HPCR timing are not the same thing, especially at low fuel flow rates. 

On the highway cruising is right about 20. Drops to 19.5 on the hills and up to 20.5 on downhills. Peak timing is near 26.

 

Yes, they are completely different animals when trying to tune. 

Yeah that's a lot of timing!

17 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

Yeah that's a lot of timing!

Seems to like it though. Fuel mileage is up where it should be, and it performed well on the dyno making just over 500 on can-bus only and 610 with the wiretap. 

The p pump pull truck at 1k hp I helped dial in is running 32 ish on a 24v motor so 

Edited October 30, 20168 yr by Silverdodge
Typo

Went up hunting this weekend.  Drove from Colorado Springs to Westcliffe Co, mostly 55 mph when on highway.  Climbed a pretty steep pass for ~15 miles of the 76 miles each way.  Peak Elevation was ~9,000 feet.  Lots of idle time and slow mountain driving on dirt roads. 

 

~ 150 miles at 55 mph

~ 45 miles in the mountains 15 - 35 mph

Filled up 10.3 gallons 

trip was 191.3 = 18.5 MPG  

 

Pretty happy with that considering everything.  I should be pretty easily above 25 MPG on flat highway now.  

 

 

 

 

Subscribing.  

 

For those watching on CF I plan to post in here from now on.

Kody,

 

Keep the great data logging coming man.  I am loving the data flowing from our trucks.

You know it's funny because I've had a few people ask me about it and how it compares to the edge since I ran if forever and honestly there's no comparison.  They're simply on completely separate levels and can be used for completely different purposes.  Not that there's anything big with the power, but the fact that we have more control and knowledge of what's going on with the truck really just sets this in a league of its own. 

 

Great stuff to say the least.

I know the old compant from the quad was " more power, but it isn't as smooth"  is that still true?  I know my quad used to be kinda on / off in situtations, I don't have that issue anymore, but I am unsure how smooth the edge is.

So to fire back on a couple of things you touched on to my last post over on CF.

 

Yes I was on level 5 on the quad so max can/pump.  We would need to discuss the timing up top, I have a few thoughts on this subject.

 

Edge vs Quad and how smooth they are,  Edge on level 6 was a bit jumpy when you stabbed the throttle and hands down the quad fuels much much smoother.  Seat of the pants, off the line, I think the edge still has a little bit over the quad but I'm still working on that and have no doubt in my mind that we'll be able to tune that "feeling" back into the truck given a little bit of time and patience.  

 

I bet the Quadzilla is a cleaner module over the Edge. 

 

I just found that we can read PSI from the plug under the hood.

 

 

so I can use ecm boost, which will account for atmosperic pressure.....then once psi hits ~20 I will jump back over to the old map to allow for higher than 20 readings, you can't understand how happy I am about this.

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

So to fire back on a couple of things you touched on to my last post over on CF.

 

Yes I was on level 5 on the quad so max can/pump.  We would need to discuss the timing up top, I have a few thoughts on this subject.

 

Edge vs Quad and how smooth they are,  Edge on level 6 was a bit jumpy when you stabbed the throttle and hands down the quad fuels much much smoother.  Seat of the pants, off the line, I think the edge still has a little bit over the quad but I'm still working on that and have no doubt in my mind that we'll be able to tune that "feeling" back into the truck given a little bit of time and patience.  

 

I am all ears about timing up top.  like I said I am willing to try whatever, but I need to understand the theory.

 

As for seat of the pants feel, I think if you ran an aggressive offidle tune you could do a seat of the pants tune.  Starting at ~103 or so and ramping up quick would shove a ton of fuel down low.  I don't suggest that type of tune in public, but the good thing about this tuning is you can if you want to.    Sadly seat of the pants torque = smoke offidle.  I am happy with my tune at this point, but I am sure an edge will make more under the curve power for the first 5 ish psi.

 

I am happy to hear the fueling is smooth compared to the Edge.    

Edited October 31, 20168 yr by Me78569

9 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I bet the Quadzilla is a cleaner module over the Edge. 

 

 

Without a doubt in my mind.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

I just found that we can read PSI from the plug under the hood.

 

 

so I can use ecm boost, which will account for atmosperic pressure.....then once psi hits ~20 I will jump back over to the old map to allow for higher than 20 readings, you can't understand how happy I am about this.

 

 

 

I am all ears about timing up top.  like I said I am willing to try whatever, but I need to understand the theory.

 

As for seat of the pants feel, I think if you ran an aggressive offidle tune you could do a seat of the pants tune.  Starting at ~103 or so and ramping up quick would shove a ton of fuel down low.  I don't suggest that type of tune in public, but the good thing about this tuning is you can if you want to.    

 

I am happy to hear the fueling is smooth compared to the Edge.    

 

Man this is exciting news!  Let me know when you get something drawn up and want to give it a go.  This is going to be awesome.

 

And I had that thought as well but am trying to stay as smoke free as possible.  I think pulling the timing down a little in the lower PSI will help with that as well so that's my next thing to test.

0-10 psi is where the timing reduction comes into play.   most at 0 psi least at 10 psi most at 100% TPS least at %40 tps.

 

There is no user setting to set this map, only how much timing you want to pull max.  If you want to force more timing reduction at lower areas in the map you can use the scaling function.   Really 2.5* of reduction is enough to hit the low of 8* so using 5* with %50 scaling will force that timing lower down. 

 

however as a side note I would suggest you just use more tps input haha

 

 

as another side note here, 

 

If you have your pump tps max set to anyhting below 100%, when you more your throttle to that point and if boost is below 10psi, your boost map will be based on 10psi.  IE the quad pretty much makes psi = 10 if you go above your TPS Pump max tuning variable.  

24 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

 We would need to discuss the timing up top, I have a few thoughts on this subject.

Spill some thoughts. The more ideas and more discussions the better. Personally, I want to see timing ramp up faster when boost is present. 

 

As for not having as much punch, I would have to agree that comes in the 0-10psi range. I've got mine really low so it doesn't blow any smoke, but my dyno settings will really lay you back in the seat. Just can't use them because it blacks out the sun. 

 

4 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

If you have your pump tps max set to anyhting below 100%, when you more your throttle to that point and if boost is below 10psi, your boost map will be based on 10psi.  IE the quad pretty much makes psi = 10 if you go above your TPS Pump max tuning variable.  

Is this only when boost is below 10psi? Or is this all the time?