The more I keep talking to people the more they just don't understand the fact I live in the middle of nowhere. I'm a long ways from a big city or a town with supplies... What I'm going to do is post 2 pictures of Google Map with my surrounding towns and show you what I got... Now remember I'm not exactly in New Meadows, ID proper I'm 20 miles north of New Meadows, ID I'm exactly 3/4 of mile south of Pinehurst Trading post. http://forum.mopar1973man.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=985 Council, ID (52 miles) is one place I pick up parts for my truck bvut if I was to travel south I would have to go to either Boise or Ontario, OR for part beyond that. For grocery shopping I head to McCall (35 miles) for food shopping (basics). All the other towns in between are like ghost town just basics food and fuel if that. Ontario, OR is the first large town you come across with a WalMart and a K Mart. http://forum.mopar1973man.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=984 Now going north is same way... Riggins (15 miles) is my typical town I hang around in. It got fuel, food, and basic stuff. But now if I got the extra miles and head to grangeville (60 miles) there is a Cummins dealer (John Deere Tractors) and another part store. Now there is a little town of Whitebird in between these two is basically a ghost town. No fuel, No grocery store, but does have 2 bars and a restruant. Beyond that you have to travel to Lewisotn, ID (125 miles) to get to any large town to for like WalMart or simular. So what it comes down to is the fact if I want anything I must travel either 180 miles one way to Boise, ID or go to 120 miles north and head to Lewiston, ID. This is what I live in... (Yes... Over the far distance ridge is Oregon State and home is down in the valley below) http://forum.mopar1973man.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=688 Home... http://forum.mopar1973man.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=986

How far from the "Frank Church Land of No Return Wilderness Area" are you???? Always wanted to go there.

Really easy... Head 15 miles from my place into Riggins, ID and then turn up the Big Salmon River road and travel to the end of the road 26 miles to Vinegar Creek and head due east on foot or boat... There is several foot trails that are in that area... Here a pic from Florence Area just west of there... http://forum.mopar1973man.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=987

Correction: You are in the middle of somewhere.

Running water? Only if its down hill Mail? Delivered once a week by Pony Express Toilet? Dug by hand Phone? ----...---...--.--...----...--......-

Running water? Only if its down hill

Got that... I got water that is piped in from 1/4 mile up the hill... Or the well that drilled in the yard.

Mail? Delivered once a week by Pony Express

Well mail is deliever by the mail lady one a day...

Toilet? Dug by hand

Yes... Brand new 2,000 gallon spectic tank put in the ground...

Phone? ----...---...--.--...----...--......-

Close enough...

Not to mention DSL...

Well yes there is a certain amount of livability but there is no convenance to anything here...

That reminds me when I lived on the Navajo Indian Reservation. I was running a retail store and my main office wanted me to carry a full line of electrical and plumbing products. I said NO! about 90% of the customers had NO electricity or plumbing. I use to tell my employees if we ever had a fire to run to the edge of the parking lot and go over the hill. I usually had on hand 1000 cans of Coleman fuel, 750 bottles of propane and about 1000 qts of lamp oil! So, Mike I understand what your saying. So many people think that what they have you must have as well!

I relate everything to chow... www.middleofnowherediner.com