What does Cummins /Dodge recommend for anti gel in the new trucks ?

[Turbo Terry]

So dealer told me new truck is built and has been shipped today    Might be a story.  Supposedly getting some 2022  vehicles in    Who knows 

[Silverwolf2691]

Power Service. I'll grab a photo from the manual of my 19 at lunch.

 

Do you have the actual code for what the truck is in? hdrams.com is all 5th (4.5) gen Ram heavy duty trucks, They have a wealth of knowledge on the status of the trucks, who get what, etc. 

[Mopar1973Man]

Be careful alot of anti-gels are worse off than just the diesel fuel itself. Like Power adds a bit more HFRR score. Normal diesel fuel is 520 HFRR. But Bosch wants <460 HFRR.

 

Like myself I don't use any anti gel products at all. Higher cetane just reduces the MPG deeper. Never gelled the Beast in 19 winters and temps as low as -40F.

 

Why? When I last did my study in local fuels the could have already have 50 cetane adding more is just going to reduce power and MPG. Pour point is already good to -20 to -30F.

 

So why waste the money on a product that is not going to do any good for the fuel system taking away lubricity, then taking away BTU content, for fuel that is already treated and does require any help.

 

Oh yeah a bit of science for Power Service. If the product truly has lubricant in the product leave a small sample exposed to the air. It will dry out and be a gummy tar. There is no oil in the product. Any oil will remain after evaporating all the alcohols off for the cetane boosters.

 

Try it with 2 cycle oil. Never changes. Oil will remain oil even exposed to air but sure shows off the alcohol amounts used for cetane boosters.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Mopar1973Man

[Silverwolf2691]

@Mopar1973Man, 5th gen section.

 

I think 2 stroke would cause big issues with the DPF.

 

Another thing is, if Power Service caused issues, its on Rams dime to get it fixed because its recommended in the owners manual. Or they will pass off the problem with a bad fuel diagnosis and put you (owner) on the hook. Happened to a bunch of guys who have the cp4. $15,000 later. 

 

@Turbo Terry, yours is a 2022 right? You should have the renamed cp3 and should have no glitter bomb issues.   

[Mopar1973Man]

On 9/14/2021 at 7:13 AM, Silverwolf2691 said:

Another thing is, if Power Service caused issues, its on Rams dime to get it fixed because its recommended in the owners manual.

 

Boy that crazy and it already been proven time and time again PS isn't a good additive. Then the other under handed is the there is part that are not part of thew warranty because of being a wearable item. I'll grab my buddy that has the list and I'll repost it here. Like him he was a Common Rail owner at one time and got rid of it. Too many things the dealer didn't cover. 

 

Even using Bosch own documents...

 

 

You would way better off with Opti-Lube XPD... It scored a 317 HFRR way less wear! Compared to Power Service that score 575 HFRR very very damaging... What your CP3 will look like... This is Bosch own testing of fuel lubricity. 

 

https://opti-lube.com/opti-lube-xpd-all-in-one-diesel-fuel-additive-1-gallon-without-accessories-treats-up-to-512-gallons/

 

 

Now 317 HFRR is going to be much better... So research your products just because Cummins or Dodge says it good you better still do you own study because Power Service has been poor rated for YEARS. Only gains +65 HFRR. Where OptiLube XPD will gain +319 HFRR. This has lubricant in the bottle for sure. 

 

Edited February 12, 2022 by Mopar1973Man

[Turbo Terry]

Well the reason I bring this up is new 2022 ho is coming in a week or two ???  and I have to put something in it so it doesn’t gel up   So I ask you can the dealer tell you don’t have power service in your tank and 

void your warranty on say the fuel pump.  Really    They are already pumping winter fuel here.  Most likely 50/50 blend who knows  Every beginning of winter I see 4-5 pickups by the side of the road Cummins mostly.  Probably gelled up or maybe just broke down but pretty strange timing for sure

[Mopar1973Man]

No. You can use and product you wish. Like the Optilube was developed at the same time I was doing 2 cycle oil studies. The Optilube is the best product for lubricity and antigel features. Being the test was done at the same time. Hence why I have all this data.

[Silverwolf2691]

I did a quick look at my owners manual but couldn't find anything. It was a skim read however so I might have missed it.

 

Did a quick search over on hdrams.com. I think I misinterpreted what I read on there or things changes since I looked.

 

I have to with draw my previous statement of power service being recommended. Cummins is ok'ing its use but it's not required. Why especially when there are clearly better options I have no idea. most guys on there run Hot Shots Secret EDT or LX4, or some mix of both. I know the LX4 is newer as well. Don't know where they stand in the HFRR test either.    

[Turbo Terry]

Stanadyne power service Amsoil all in one and a product called fppf total power are available here for the most part.  Stanadyne seems to be the most  prevalent in auto stores etc here. Which is my best choice 

Not power service 

[Dieselfuture]

I was just going to suggest Stanadyne, as they make injection pumps I would think they know what they are doing.

Once in a while I use cen-pe-co antigel, I also use their motor oil for last 4-5 years. They only 40 minutes from me and on the way to work kinda. 

Did some oil sampling through cat dealer and results were as good as amsoil I ran before if not better.

 

[Turbo Terry]

Ok stanadyne or fppr total power.  No power service ever

Fppf total power    Petrol marine product

[LorenS]

When looking at Wal-Mart 2-stroke to Amsoil cost comparison, the Amsoil was about the same cost "per serving" if you bought the big jug. I buy the 1/2 gallon jug, then divvy out into 5 ounce "servings" since most of my fillups are around 25 gallons.

 

In a 5th Gen clearly you won't be running 2-stroke, but my point is that Amsoil fuel treatment is not expensive per serving - they also say it's alcohol free, and the brochure indicates wear scar reductions of ~150 microns when mixed with fuels from varying U.S. regions.

[AH64ID]

I use Amsoil when I want an anti-gel, which is a couple times a year. 
 

@Mopar1973Man which test data shows PS as decreasing lubricity? The 575 in the test I’ve seen was still an improvement in lubricity over the baseline. 
 

I’m not a PS user, but it is endorsed by Cummins.