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Lone Watie

Really cold here in Arizona last night - single digits - truck started, let her warm up a few minutes, went on down the road and died - believe it might be gelled fuel and need guidance on best course of action. Any help appreciated.

Thanks.

--- Update to the previous post...

Forgot to mention I had it towed home and is sitting in garage right now.

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Wild and Free

How cold is it there? straight #2 should be good to around 10-20*F Pull the fuel filter out and see if the fuel is gelled in the can. Then we can go from there. What is fuel pressure? Also check the codes using the key method starting with key off turn it on off on off on but not to start position after on the 3rd time look at the odometer window and write down the codes as they appera and let us know.

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Lone Watie

How cold is it there? straight #2 should be good to around 10-20*F Pull the fuel filter out and see if the fuel is gelled in the can. Then we can go from there. What is fuel pressure? Also check the codes using the key method starting with key off turn it on off on off on but not to start position after on the 3rd time look at the odometer window and write down the codes as they appera and let us know.

Temp was around 5-10 F last nite, will check codes and pull canister as you suggested, I have it sitting in garage now trying to get it heated up a bit. Thanks.

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Blueox01

Temp was around 5-10 F last nite, will check codes and pull canister as you suggested, I have it sitting in garage now trying to get it heated up a bit. Thanks.

If your fuel is gelled get some Power Service 911 (RED Bottle) Pour some into filter canister,the rest in tank.

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gassernomore

key trick will not work on a 99. You will need a code reader.

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white01

If your fuel is gelled get some Power Service 911 (RED Bottle) Pour some into filter canister,the rest in tank.

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Wild and Free

If its inside a garage already DO NOT PUT 911 IN THE FUEL TANK or anywhere else, set a heater under the tank to warm it up and go get a few gallons of #1 or winter fuel and mix it together. will be safer and better than 911. then let it run for a while to circulate the fuel and mix then hit the road.

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Lone Watie

If its inside a garage already DO NOT PUT 911 IN THE FUEL TANK or anywhere else, set a heater under the tank to warm it up and go get a few gallons of #1 or winter fuel and mix it together. will be safer and better than 911. then let it run for a while to circulate the fuel and mix then hit the road.

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Wild and Free

should have never put 911 in the fuel filter housing directly. thats like commiting fuel system suicide. :doh: If you haven't started it yet drain it back out and get some clean fuel inside the filter housing before you destroy your vp44.Then if you get it running top it off with a full tank of fuel and a quart of 2 stroke oil and hope for the best. 911 is for a dead horse emergency along the road not for 1 sitting inside a garage already:(:pray:

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Blueox01

Get the same effect from kerosene... But like both produces they reduce lubricity... Hence increase wear on fuel system parts...

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ISX

I think there is a misconception about kerosene. It is not as dry as sand. The machine shop I worked in used kerosene when machining things and it worked great. True it doesn't have the lube of regular #2, but it still has lube in it.

I have no idea how worthy 911 is. Regular power service anti gel is uh, an antigel..so what is 911? Only thing I can think of is it must be extreme and have extreme anti-lube properties.

According to this page, regular PS is crap, only improving HFRR a little. Which means the antigel PS must really suck, so now where does that put 911..

Even here on post #41, he says "I have seen a LS#2 mixed with ULS#1 and the HFRR result improved (on multiple tests)." Which is LS#2-Low Sulphur #2, and ULS#1-Ultra Low Sulphur #1 (kerosene).

Here it says in post #14 "Jet A is just kerosene and I get drums for free. Jet A has a HFRR wear scar of 670. ULSD untreated has a HFRR wear scar of 640." Further showing it isn't dry sand, it is just 30 points behind the regular #2.

I would use mixes of kerosene (#1 diesel) first.

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Heavyd1980

You didn't catch me quick enough to keep from putting the 911 in the filter and tank. Do not have heater under the tank yet, need to get one. Have a new filter on it, bled the filter (barely dribbled out), but the transfer pump (mines on the block) sounds very weak, barely audible. hooked test gauge up to filter (clean side) and only getting 1 psi out of the transfer pump.

I'm now throwing any codes (yet).

--- Update to the previous post...

I need to mention that I warmed the truck up this morning for around 10-15 minutes I hit the road, so I would think that I warmed it up enough to recirculate the fuel to heat it up.

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Wild and Free

Blueox, thats assuming he did have the stuff with "slickdiesel" I have not seen that newer stuff I still see the original 911 all over the place. Better to pour straight #1 in the fuel filter and a bit of 911 in the tank as a last resort. Not that hard to carry a bottle of #1 for the fuel filter. My point was he already had it home in his garage so he did not need the 911, he could have gone another route.

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Blueox01

Blueox, thats assuming he did have the stuff with "slickdiesel" I have not seen that newer stuff I still see the original 911 all over the place. Better to pour straight #1 in the fuel filter and a bit of 911 in the tank as a last resort. Not that hard to carry a bottle of #1 for the fuel filter. My point was he already had it home in his garage so he did not need the 911, he could have gone another route.

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ISX

Yeah but HFRR score above 400 is pretty rough on rotory pumps...

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Lone Watie

Have not got truck started yet. PS 911 on bottle says to fill filter canister 1/2 911, 1/2 clean fuel. Been in garage for few hours now with heat on there. Last starter bump got me almost 12 psi, up from 1-2 earlier. Will drain filter in morning to get rid of PS911, and start priming with straight fuel. Can do nothing about the 911 in the tank already. Still not throwing any codes. Does it look like I'm heading in right direction? Should I be okay - I don't know answers, but doing best I can to save VP44. Do I need to crack injector lines to see if VP44 is sending fuel their way? Any other things haven't done yet I can try?

thanks.

--- Update to the previous post...

I guess i was thinking that if he's in S.E. Arizona they probly don't have #1 diesel or a Winter Blend,the other nights weather was a fluke.

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white01

whenever you are able to...throw that stock pump in trash and get a good pusher pump...i believe the majoridy of us on here are running the aftermarket lifetime warranty pumps.good luck to you!:thumb1:

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Lone Watie

whenever you are able to...throw that stock pump in trash and get a good pusher pump...i believe the majoridy of us on here are running the aftermarket lifetime warranty pumps.good luck to you!:thumb1:

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Mopar1973Man

that's in the plans - however i have not had any problems with stock pump - and don't believe the stocker is the problem - i just want to get it running today hopefully and still seeking advice - i just got up and after breakfast will definitely drain filter again and refill with diesel only - keep the ideas flowing for me if you can. thanks.

--- Update to the previous post...

Does anyone here who's been following this closely think that my VP is fried given what I've done - knowing that I haven't thrown any codes? Do I need to start examining the VP instead of what I'm doing? I just want to move forward even at cost of new VP if needed -

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Lone Watie

What you fuel pressure like? (Idle & WOT) Of course before you had issues...

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Blueox01

Was fuel GELLED? You still can't get it started? Do you have fuel pressure at the filter? Are you sure you have fuel(guage could be bad)? And no running 911 through to degell the fuel in an emergency did'nt fry your VP44

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Mopar1973Man

Well the pump seem OK (marginal at best). If it was me... I would disconnect the fuel line at the tank and blow the enitre system out. Drain the filter housing... Then reprime the entire system and see if it starts. If the truck is in a semi-heated garage then it should be just a matter of re-priming the system....

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Blueox01

Well if it was me, and i had good fuel pressure at the filter,i'd start cracking fuel lines to get it primed and running.:2cents:

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