Hi all,

I was wondering if we could start a good fuel additive thread, something that covers 2 stroke in depth as well as other conventional, off the shelf stuff. Also, what adding cetane does, and how sulfur factors in and parts per million and emulsifiers an all. I bring this up because I was part of a recent thread on another forum where a guy was asking for opinions on Howe's Diesel Treat. I commented that I would just stick with 2 stroke unless you are somewhere really cold, then I would add PS white bottle too, in the appropriate amount of course. Anyway someone chimed in claiming that 2 stroke is mostly just kerosene, and that he had the MSDS to prove it. Same person also said they would use a little gasoline as an antigel. I've seen an MSDS for 2 stroke and I'm pretty sure there was no kerosene on it. I guess what I'm saying is, I'd just like to learn a lot more about fuel and additives and I know there are some guys out there who know all there is to know and I'd like to pick their brains! 

Thanks to anyone who chimes in!

oh ok, good luck with the job! will you do the joints yourself? or get them pressed by a shop?

11 minutes ago, leathermaneod said:

@JAG1do you have any recommendations on what filter to add to the stock canister? and how to mount it?

I have the older AD100 lift pump on the frame, 1/2'' lines all the way, no banjos. My filter is a Racor 30 micron 90 gph water separating filter that has the clear plastic bowl on the bottom. It's mounted before the lift pump to protect it from sediment and a swing away protection plate under the bottom of the filter.

 

Wanted to add that the Racor has the filters specifically for the suction side of the system.

Edited June 26, 20168 yr by JAG1

I'm thinking about making a bracket to mount one of the universal 2 micron filter/water separators in place of the stock filter canister. Not sure if something like this would fit there. http://www.vulcanperformance.com/VP-MAX-Dual-Remote-Filter-Kit-p/drff.htm

or this

http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/product.aspx?pf_id=FW1220-TFK

Edited June 26, 20168 yr by leathermaneod

59 minutes ago, leathermaneod said:

oh ok, good luck with the job! will you do the joints yourself? or get them pressed by a shop?

did the right on last night myself. I have a ball joint press that worked just fine after I found something to use for a receiver cup. My set had nothing deep enough. They were in pretty darn tight but came out ok. The new one went in in a quarter of the time it took to get the old one out.

1 hour ago, leathermaneod said:

I'm thinking about making a bracket to mount one of the universal 2 micron filter/water separators in place of the stock filter canister. Not sure if something like this would fit there. http://www.vulcanperformance.com/VP-MAX-Dual-Remote-Filter-Kit-p/drff.htm

or this

http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/product.aspx?pf_id=FW1220-TFK

I like the first set up. I would mount it on the frame before the lift pump, save the oem filter for a redundant filter just before the vp. The big filters help look out for the smaller sister filter. Keep from premature clogging. Only reason I say this that the world class ocean going yachts where lives at sea are dependant on the diesel engines always protect the lift pump with primary filtration.

Edited June 26, 20168 yr by JAG1

Only issue with that is, if I remember correctly, Richard at GDP, told me not to run a filter before the Fuel Boss to prevent cavitation. I sent an email to him asking for his opinion on this though, so we'll see what he says. Worst case, I'd have to mount it on the frame like you said, and run lines from the tank to the fuel boss, then back to the filter, then up to the engine. Lots of plumbing, but that may be what it takes if I want extra filters....I'll know more once richard replies. Any particular reason you like the Vulcan over the Glacier?

Edited June 26, 20168 yr by leathermaneod

1 hour ago, leathermaneod said:

I'm thinking about making a bracket to mount one of the universal 2 micron filter/water separators in place of the stock filter canister. Not sure if something like this would fit there. http://www.vulcanperformance.com/VP-MAX-Dual-Remote-Filter-Kit-p/drff.htm

or this

http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/product.aspx?pf_id=FW1220-TFK

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B016DU1FMM/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1466965456&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=wix+24770&dpPl=1&dpID=41bErVqZ-CL&ref=plSrch

I'm using this filter base bolted to the frame for a pre filter/water seperator. Easy to plumb in and tons of filter options. 

3 hours ago, leathermaneod said:

Only issue with that is, if I remember correctly, Richard at GDP, told me not to run a filter before the Fuel Boss to prevent cavitation. I sent an email to him asking for his opinion on this though, so we'll see what he says. Worst case, I'd have to mount it on the frame like you said, and run lines from the tank to the fuel boss, then back to the filter, then up to the engine. Lots of plumbing, but that may be what it takes if I want extra filters....I'll know more once richard replies. Any particular reason you like the Vulcan over the Glacier?

Why can't the set up be simple plumbing? fuel tank---primary filter-- lift pump---------secondary oem filter-- vp44.

 

In my case it's fuel tank--ball shut off valve--primary filter-- lift pump-- ball shut off valve------- secondary oem filter-- vp44.

I put 1/2'' shut off valves so I can replace filter or liftpump without a lot of prime loss.

One more benefit about the oem filter is as the lift pump wears there is a small amount of fine wear particles that it will remove before getting to the vp.

9 minutes ago, JAG1 said:

Why can't the set up be simple plumbing? fuel tank---primary filter-- lift pump---------secondary oem filter-- vp44.

 

In my case it's fuel tank--ball shut off valve--primary filter-- lift pump-- ball shut off valve------- secondary oem filter-- vp44.

I put 1/2'' shut off valves so I can replace filter or liftpump without a lot of prime loss.

One more benefit about the oem filter is as the lift pump wears there is a small amount of fine wear particles that it will remove before getting to the vp.

That would be awesome if I can do that. I'm going to double check with Rich, but I think he said the Fuel Boss wouldn't like having to pull through any restrictive filters....

Oh yes... I understand now.... Fuel Boss has to be powered up in the front off belt drive. Duh... I think that pump is a lot more tolerant of unfiltered fuel than our elect. units are.

I.m sorry I miss understood what you are doing there.

 

Gosh! they should demote me down to office janitor.

 

 

Edited June 26, 20168 yr by JAG1

lol no problem. Yeah that is one thing that sucks about the Fuel Boss.....thats why I was originally thinking of something that could mount in place of, or near the factory fuel filter. Something like this would work well, except for the fact that it would crowd that area even more 

http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/product.aspx?pf_id=MK20305-APPS

that is kind of my general idea though. That or plumbing all the way back under the truck again...

How vulnerable is the Fuel boss to dirtiy fuel? We know the VP needs clean fuel but what does the FB need to be safe. I believe the factory canister has options to filter enough for the VP. Just dont want to overthink this deal. 

Sorry I forgot to clarify that. Richard told me the FB will handle anything thrown at it in terms of dirt. I'm not trying to protect the FB, I was looking for a way to add better filtration and water separation for the vp. 

1 hour ago, leathermaneod said:

Sorry I forgot to clarify that. Richard told me the FB will handle anything thrown at it in terms of dirt. I'm not trying to protect the FB, I was looking for a way to add better filtration and water separation for the vp. 

That is a good rule that way the smaller oem filter does not ever get  over whelmed or clogged in a hurry.

I currently don't have my OEM filter hooked up and am just running the filters on the FASS 150 system. I'd like to throw an inline filter in between the tank and the FASS and then another in between the FASS and the VP, any suggestions?

That is how the filters work on the Fass system. The larger micron filter and water separator to protect the pump and the smaller micron filter to protect the VP. If you want another filter before the VP just run the fuel thru the oe canister. 

13 hours ago, leathermaneod said:

Sorry I forgot to clarify that. Richard told me the FB will handle anything thrown at it in terms of dirt. 

I think Dave uses one for a macerator on his rv.

 

In all seriousness, I think its a good thing trying to get the twin filters on there. In trying to think of an area that would save extra plumbing but, can't see it unless you do go back behind the trans somewhere. Also think it important to get filtering after the fuel boss since it will be throwing small wear particles into the fuel as it ages.

10 hours ago, dripley said:

That is how the filters work on the Fass system. The larger micron filter and water separator to protect the pump and the smaller micron filter to protect the VP. If you want another filter before the VP just run the fuel thru the oe canister. 

 

So really there's not a huge need to add extra filtration on the FASS systems?

Okay.......... just did some research on the fuel boss... turns out the regulator gets clogged with dirt without a filter in front of it. So I would be looking for a way to install the prefilter. I would not worry about cavitation since the industry standard for a pre lift pump filter is definatly needed.

4 minutes ago, JAG1 said:

Okay.......... just did some research on the fuel boss... turns out the regulator gets clogged with dirt without a filter in front of it. So I would be looking for a way to install the prefilter. I would not worry about cavitation since the industry standard for a pre lift pump filter is definatly needed.

I have been emailing back and forth with Richard this morning. He said that I definitely should not run a dual filter or anything like it before the fuel boss. He said filtration needs to be between the FB and vp. He initially recomended just running their MK10 kit, but then I explained that I am looking for a lower micron rating and asked if there would be any issues with the extra plumbing to run tank to FB, to frame rail filters to vp, and he said no, that they have many customers running filters up in the bed with no issues. So that answers the question, either make a dual setup and mount to replace the factor one, if it could fit in there. Or run lines back to a frame mounted filter. 

 

As far as the clogging of the bypass valve, I believe it usually only happens right after the system has been installed and there is dirt being cleaned out of the lines. However, I did put one of these right in front of my bypass valve to prevent any issues. I just change it at oil changes.

http://m.glacierdieselpower.com/product.aspx?pf_id=FF5079