Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

let me ponder it, I really wish I knew more about why the ecm did stuff, rather than just the result of what the ecm does haha.

^^^^ why being the key word.  Now 

 

 

L8tr

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BTW I love this post even if I dont understand most of it

Edited February 14, 20178 yr by SilverMoose
Added to it

@Carbur8tr is it only when the engine is fully warmed up? 

 

What timing are you seeing total?

I think I know what you guys are talking about.  It's light lope / hollow sounding idle?

 

However this only happens for me on deceleration no load, and this has always done it for me since day 1 of owning the truck.  Maybe I am used to it ?

Mmmm not always but I know what you're referring to and it's more pronounced than that.

 

Mike, I wish I could say it was only when things were warmed up but it has happened when the truck is cold as well.

 

@Me78569 I have 4 pulls with data that I sent you via message.  It works but I think I might have discovered something that will end up being a pain in the *** to deal with.  No idea how quickly the quad is able to react but I can blow through the low boost limit like no ones business.  It's all in the data but I believe one time I was able to touch close to 31psi or so with only 80% throttle. Most of the pulls are towards the end of each data export.  

 

Another thing I noticed is that it would often times seem as though it would react late and still apply back down even though I had already gotten out of the boost.  Not sure if this is just due to the time delay in the data or what but odd if you looks at when the backdown is applied vs when the boost is coming up.

 

I had a thought though, is there any way that we could lower the boost max for cold mornings.  Right now I think the lowest it will go is 23 which is what I had it at today.  I think it would be nice to limit the truck to say 10psi on cold mornings to help with timing and head gaskets.  Most common time I heard of people blowing head gaskets was on cold mornings prior to the truck being up to temp.  Just thoughts.

Err.  Did boost settle? I can't help the blow through thing.  Too many setups to know but it should pull fuel rapidly to get boost back down.

 

As for boost when cold.  Not possible without a TON of work.

 

Overall yes it seems to settle but feels almost like it's hunting.  Data doesn't quite point towards hunting but it feels like the power is going in and out which is not a bad thing and seems to hold fairly well.  Check you inbox for the data.

 

Little note here as well is the second run where the back down stayed the same but the boost tried to hold around 18ish.

Edited February 16, 20178 yr by Carbur8tr

I did some testing today with the new backdowns. 

I set the boost limit to 30psi. Now keep in mind on level 3 (canbus-only) I'm seeing around 50 psi. When stabbing it on level 3 boost spiked to 38 or 39 and settled down to 28-29 very quickly. I'm very happy with that. I think backdown was around 65% with that limit set. There's just nothing you can do to stop a spike when boost builds that fast. 

I also tested the EGT at 1200 deg. I can build a lot of heat when rpms are lower, but at 1850rpm and above with can-bus fueling only egts don't surpass 1100. So I lugged it down to 1400rpm and held it to the floor. I think egts only made it to 1250 then were quickly pulled back down to 1160-1200. I tested it with a healthy amount of wiretap (which my egts can go 1800+) and egts made it to 1350 before they were pulled back down to around 1200. Again the spiking is very hard to stop with so much fuel. 

 

Overall I've very happy with it. I'd be confident to loan my truck to someone and let them pull a load without blowing it up. 

Good work @Me78569 and thank you!

@Carbur8tr  the boost backdown starts at backdoown psi - 2 so it will try and keep boost in that area.  that's why you saw it trying to hold at 18,  thats the only way I can attempt to keep boost from overshooting to far. 

 

 

I know what you mean about hunting.  It will ramp down fuel, then if it hits the limit as boost is falling it will add fuel back at %25 the rate. 

 

 

may seem like a dumb question and probably been stated before but when you go to buy the quad it asks what tune you want loaded. cant I just change the tune later if I pick the wrong one?

Absolutely

So if my truck has never had high idle ever the quad can add that correct? or is smarty and the dealer still the only way to do that?

The quad has its own way of doing high idle.   It will work so long as the quad is installed

@Me78569 @TFaoro Whats up guys! I finally have my truck back and I just finished loading the standard fuel V2.2 Tune.

 

Quick question: Which vehicle selection should I use now? Currently I am using the V2Dodge1998-2000 Ver 2.2.

 

Can't wait to get back to the testing!!

Quad v2 only at this point still.  It has the psi limit for cruise timing kick out.

8 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Quad v2 only at this point still.  It has the psi limit for cruise timing kick out.

so that is the v2 quadzilla only Version 2.8 right? Thanks bro

sure haha.  

 

 

there's also a new apk that allows for a muhc longer data logging.  Its in the windows 10 thread.

Edited February 17, 20178 yr by Me78569

DAILY
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3400

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 20%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1500
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 25%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 0%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 10
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .5  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 17
2000: 19
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 100
1 PSI %: 102
2 PSI %: 102
3 PSI %: 103
4 PSI %: 105
5 PSI %: 106
6 PSI %: 108
7 PSI %: 109
8 PSI %: 110
9 PSI %: 112
10 PSI %: 113
11 PSI %: 115
12 PSI %: 116
13 PSI %: 118
14 PSI %: 119
15 PSI %: 121
16 PSI %: 122
18 PSI %: 126
20 PSI %: 129
22 PSI %: 132
24 PSI %: 136
26 PSI %: 139
28 PSI %: 143
30 PSI %: 147

Tow
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3200

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 15%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1700
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 20%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 0%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 8
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .5  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 16
2000: 18
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 104
1 PSI %: 106
2 PSI %: 108
3 PSI %: 110
4 PSI %: 112
5 PSI %: 114
6 PSI %: 116
7 PSI %: 118
8 PSI %: 120
9 PSI %: 122
10 PSI %: 124
11 PSI %: 126
12 PSI %: 128
13 PSI %: 130
14 PSI %: 132
15 PSI %: 134
16 PSI %: 136
18 PSI %: 138
20 PSI %: 140
22 PSI %: 142
24 PSI %: 144
26 PSI %: 146
28 PSI %: 148
30 PSI %: 150

Economy
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3200

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 15%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1200
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 20%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 5%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 10
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .55  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 17
2000: 19
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 100
1 PSI %: 102
2 PSI %: 103
3 PSI %: 105
4 PSI %: 106
5 PSI %: 108
6 PSI %: 109
7 PSI %: 110
8 PSI %: 112
9 PSI %: 112
10 PSI %: 115
11 PSI %: 116
12 PSI %: 118
13 PSI %: 119
14 PSI %: 121
15 PSI %: 122
16 PSI %: 126
18 PSI %: 129
20 PSI %: 132
22 PSI %: 136
24 PSI %: 139
26 PSI %: 144
28 PSI %: 147
30 PSI %: 150

Fun
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3400

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 25%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 2200
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 0%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 50%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 0
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 3
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 2
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .55  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 16
2000: 18
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 101
1 PSI %: 103
2 PSI %: 105
3 PSI %: 107
4 PSI %: 110
5 PSI %: 113
6 PSI %: 116
7 PSI %: 119
8 PSI %: 122
9 PSI %: 125
10 PSI %: 128
11 PSI %: 131
12 PSI %: 134
13 PSI %: 137
14 PSI %: 140
15 PSI %: 143
16 PSI %: 146
18 PSI %: 149
20 PSI %: 150
22 PSI %: 150
24 PSI %: 150
26 PSI %: 150
28 PSI %: 150
30 PSI %: 150

 

 

Hey guys here is a list of my current tunes. Feel free to give me some advise!

 

My truck has: 5" tbe, BHAF, FASS 150.

 

It is a 5 speed and also has stock injectors.

 

Since I installed the iQuad I can't believe the power on some of the tunes! It definitely wakens the beast and gets her moving in a hurry. I have also noticed that my truck runs a lot cooler. If I coast down a hill that is a mile or longer my coolant temp will drop down below 140. Is this a common occurrence for you guys as well? I ran the two tune last weekend and averaged 18.4 MPG towing a trailer @63 MPH. This weekend I will be doing another 1000ish mile road trip and I will be interested in trying a economy tune you guys come up with.

 

 

I would check your thermostat for your downhill issue. 

 

 

I would also try beefing up your low canbus fueling some.  I am guessing you can run a starting point of 105 ish without smoke. But that will take trial and error.  

 

I would also suggest raising the wiretap psi up and beefing up canbus fueling.  That should give you more controlled power down low.

 

 

Good MPG towing though.

49 minutes ago, xxTJRocksxx said:

@Me78569 @TFaoro Whats up guys! I finally have my truck back and I just finished loading the standard fuel V2.2 Tune.

 

Quick question: Which vehicle selection should I use now? Currently I am using the V2Dodge1998-2000 Ver 2.2.

 

Can't wait to get back to the testing!!

Glad to hear you got it going again! Better post some pictures so we know it actually happened  (Do it in a new thread)

 

15 minutes ago, JDHudsn said:

DAILY
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3400

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 20%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1500
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 25%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 0%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 10
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .5  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 17
2000: 19
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 100
1 PSI %: 102
2 PSI %: 102
3 PSI %: 103
4 PSI %: 105
5 PSI %: 106
6 PSI %: 108
7 PSI %: 109
8 PSI %: 110
9 PSI %: 112
10 PSI %: 113
11 PSI %: 115
12 PSI %: 116
13 PSI %: 118
14 PSI %: 119
15 PSI %: 121
16 PSI %: 122
18 PSI %: 126
20 PSI %: 129
22 PSI %: 132
24 PSI %: 136
26 PSI %: 139
28 PSI %: 143
30 PSI %: 147

Tow
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3200

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 15%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1700
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 20%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 0%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 8
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .5  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 16
2000: 18
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 104
1 PSI %: 106
2 PSI %: 108
3 PSI %: 110
4 PSI %: 112
5 PSI %: 114
6 PSI %: 116
7 PSI %: 118
8 PSI %: 120
9 PSI %: 122
10 PSI %: 124
11 PSI %: 126
12 PSI %: 128
13 PSI %: 130
14 PSI %: 132
15 PSI %: 134
16 PSI %: 136
18 PSI %: 138
20 PSI %: 140
22 PSI %: 142
24 PSI %: 144
26 PSI %: 146
28 PSI %: 148
30 PSI %: 150

Economy
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3200

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 15%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1200
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 20%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 5%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 10
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .55  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 17
2000: 19
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 100
1 PSI %: 102
2 PSI %: 103
3 PSI %: 105
4 PSI %: 106
5 PSI %: 108
6 PSI %: 109
7 PSI %: 110
8 PSI %: 112
9 PSI %: 112
10 PSI %: 115
11 PSI %: 116
12 PSI %: 118
13 PSI %: 119
14 PSI %: 121
15 PSI %: 122
16 PSI %: 126
18 PSI %: 129
20 PSI %: 132
22 PSI %: 136
24 PSI %: 139
26 PSI %: 144
28 PSI %: 147
30 PSI %: 150

Fun
Power Levels: 6
RPM Limit: 3400

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 25%
 
Maximum Fuel Stretch: 2200
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 0%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Precantage: 50%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 0
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 3
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 2
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: .55  
Timing vs rpm
1500: 16
2000: 18
2500: 23
3000: 25
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 101
1 PSI %: 103
2 PSI %: 105
3 PSI %: 107
4 PSI %: 110
5 PSI %: 113
6 PSI %: 116
7 PSI %: 119
8 PSI %: 122
9 PSI %: 125
10 PSI %: 128
11 PSI %: 131
12 PSI %: 134
13 PSI %: 137
14 PSI %: 140
15 PSI %: 143
16 PSI %: 146
18 PSI %: 149
20 PSI %: 150
22 PSI %: 150
24 PSI %: 150
26 PSI %: 150
28 PSI %: 150
30 PSI %: 150

 

 

Hey guys here is a list of my current tunes. Feel free to give me some advise!

 

My truck has: 5" tbe, BHAF, FASS 150.

 

It is a 5 speed and also has stock injectors.

 

Since I installed the iQuad I can't believe the power on some of the tunes! It definitely wakens the beast and gets her moving in a hurry. I have also noticed that my truck runs a lot cooler. If I coast down a hill that is a mile or longer my coolant temp will drop down below 140. Is this a common occurrence for you guys as well? I ran the two tune last weekend and averaged 18.4 MPG towing a trailer @63 MPH. This weekend I will be doing another 1000ish mile road trip and I will be interested in trying a economy tune you guys come up with.

 

 

On your "FUN" tune, I would back down the "minimum pump tap fuel percentage" and start with wiretap at a higher number. These VP's like to start fueling on the can-bus fueling and just add wiretap to make more power.

 

As for the cooling, I'd be willing to bet your thermostat is stuck a little bit open. In 20* or below mine will drop to about 180 (with the heater on) on a 1 mile downhill.