Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

3 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Yes. Helps A bunch with the cold mornings.

 

Funny I made the mistake of leavimy my Performance tune loaded and it's doing better MPGs than my economy tune. 

Hmmm....

 

I wonder why? Advanced timing? 

7 hours ago, crf450ish said:

Hmmm....

 

I wonder why? Advanced timing? 

That's what I'm wondering too, on the cold morning you would think you want grid heaters to be on, 

Timing is more retard. Fuel map starts at 105% and exponential growth of 1.5% vs the economy tune that starts at 100% and exponential growth of 1.2%. So that being said I might try bumping the fuel map harder and heading for 1.6% which will make it more smokey. My 1.2% curve is smoke free. My 1.5% I can see like haze to small clouds.

Hey everybody, re torqued my studs today, re lashed me some valves, and turned up the quad with some impressive results. 4th gear broke the tires loose at 50 psi boost. Quad was only on level 4 (out of 7) so 33% wire tap. Holy crap!!!

 

Pictures are of the work that had to be done, now I have O-ringed head, New valves, hardened seats, and 100# valve springs.

 

Hoping to do some tuning on the turn pike tomorrow, its my 28th birthday and I am going to go ride jet ski's at key largo.

 

I love the new features, I just need to get my can bus fueling figured out before I start dicking with the new timing features too much.

Quad data 02.22.17.pdf

I will say the new timing stuff has added a good bit of under the curve meat.  I think everyone agree's that throttle response is improved.  

@TFaoro   This I should just bump the max RPM limit on the V2 to 4k?  that way people will see 4k and go wow so much wow?  Call the tune uselessfuel tune

2 hours ago, Me78569 said:

@TFaoro   This I should just bump the max RPM limit on the V2 to 4k?  that way people will see 4k and go wow so much wow?  Call the tune uselessfuel tune

 if you can do it without burning up the box I don't see why not!

On 2/22/2017 at 7:21 PM, Me78569 said:

I will say the new timing stuff has added a good bit of under the curve meat.  I think everyone agree's that throttle response is improved.  

What new timing stuff?

Pre you switching.  You used to just set a max timing increase.  Now, you have this, you set a limit for various points in the rpm range.  

 

Spend some time dialing this in and you will notice a difference.  

I am not entirely understanding how to make my own tunes. I keep reading numbers in relation to exponential growth. I just read the first 6 pages of this thread. 

 

I'll be the first to tell you that I am a math retard... if it ain't spoon fed to me then I'm lost. Thats why i'm just a dumb welder, lol. 

 

However, once I grasp it, the lightbulb will shine bright (one can only hope). Since my 176 mile round trip, I have noticed the fuel gauge move less. I forgot to write down how many gallons @ fillup , so had to rely on the eyeball method, as the lie-o-meter is as useful as **** on a boar. 

 

I just need to know what to look for. I have the tunes @Me78569 posted in the custom tunes thread as a baseline. Very smooth! He did say those are for 7k feet elev. and that i should add 20% to CANbus, being that I'm @ 2,300'.

 

Ok, is there some kind of graphing tool I can use? I see @Mopar1973Man posting graphs all the time. Good stuff! 

 

Lastly....most importantly.....my wifes satisfaction with the Quad is undeniable as she drove truck today first time since installing Quad. Good to have my other 1/2 on board. She grew up racing hot rod 4x4s in the PNW4WDA, so the itch is something she understands. 

haha since you have stock injetors your canbus fueling should start over %100.

 

Go out, build a tune that mike uses. then floor it from a stop.  Does it smoke? if so bump canbus fueling down by a % until smoke clears. 

 

20 minutes ago, crf450ish said:

Ok, is there some kind of graphing tool I can use? I see @Mopar1973Man posting graphs all the time. Good stuff!

 

I'm just using LibreOffice Calc to graph my data in Linux. Windows users typically do the same thing using Microsoft Excel. 

 

21 minutes ago, crf450ish said:

I forgot to write down how many gallons @ fillup ,

 

I've been logging every bit of fuel since 20k miles. I've got a spiral notebook in my center console that I write down odometer mileage, total cost, gallons, fill yes/no, price per gallon, and date.  

8 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

haha since you have stock injetors your canbus fueling should start over %100.

 

Go out, build a tune that mike uses. then floor it from a stop.  Does it smoke? if so bump canbus fueling down by a % until smoke clears. 

 

So build a tune Mike uses, cause his injectors are only 50HP, closer to stock most folks with quad I'm assuming. And then just adjust can bus only? Leave everything alone?

 

I going to call his tunes 

 

1973 MPG

1973 FUN

 

etc. etc. lol. 

The "Fun" tune you might find does a bit better on MPG really but you got to have a light foot.

Pretty much you want to throw as much canbus fueling at it as possible until you start seeing smoke.  then you start bumping wiretap until you get a nice pull up top.

I'm using Mike's fun tune, with very little tweaking and I love it, fits my truck. It's basically my daily driving tune. You have to watch out for your cruise timing, will depend on what speed you run down the highway.

Si, stock injector trucks will need ~ 1* less cruise timing than I would.  Maybe even a bit less than 1* due to my altiutude.  

I would say cruise timing of ~2* is a good starting point for most stock injector trucks.

 

bumping wire tap means bumping minimum pump tap fuel % right?

or where it applies "psi low limit" or tps max and min or stretch.

 

I would leave the min pump tap fuel % at 0 for DD tunes.  that setting is really an effort to overcome Torque management on a race tune.  

 

Just remember that canbus makesup the meat of your fueling.  So the better your canbus fueling is the better your truck will run.  The wiretap just adds that little bit on top, think of it as going to 11 on your amp

 

 

 

OK. This is beginning to come together for me. Rather confusing. I'm a literal learner, so I need real life results in order to learn how what I've changed in the tunes, works, and why.