Here is something from another forum at... http://www.idahoturbodiesels.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10173 It about the 13 rules of gunfighting everyone should know.

I love the Thomas Jefferson quote... Actually misses the first rule of Gunfighting... have a gun!

I love the Thomas Jefferson quote...

Actually misses the first rule of Gunfighting... have a gun!

Preferrably a long gun, or a handgun that starts with .4!

and bring all your friends who have guns!

M-14 assembled by myself from parts and a head spaced action. LRB receiver, Krieger barrel, and GI parts.

M1 Rifle is Korean war vintage Springfield Armory that was re arsenaled in 1962, sent to Greece, then back to the CMP.

My little Star 9mm... Mostly used for the 4 leggers around here but always kept near me for the 2 leggers when I make it to the Big city. Yes I open carry and conceal carry as well. No. This is not the only firearm I've got but this is my favorite.

Judge to defendant accused of shooting a home intruder............"Why did you shoot him 6 times??" Defendants reply to judge............."Because when I pulled the trigger the seventh time, it just went click.":cool:

Hard pressed to pick a favorite... probably my S&W M39. Or S&W66 w/ 3". Or Star BMK Long guns... would be an Anchutz .22 sporter (Duhh) followed by Marlin 1895 in 45/70 with smokeless handloads.The 39 has an extra Barsow barrel in 9X21.My 1911 is a 1980's custom by the late pistolsmith Austin Belert... Barstow, S&W revolver sites milled into the slide.

Okay..... I got a question for you. I own a gun too, but, am interested in how you would handle this particular situation, happened at my place the other night. I live on a dead end road behind the other small ranches. I drive thru one on a easement road which makes up about 2 tenths of a mile to get to my house from the road.Okay, so about ten pm. a strange car drives in very quiet. They stop behind my rv and sit there. They did not know I was inside the rv. I open the door and try asking what place they are looking for. No answer, they just drive off hurriedly with my dog chasing the car. Trying to get back to sleep, about a half hour later this same car drives in again, very quiet and approaching the house and rv again.This time I opened the door and yelled out, 'who are you people'! They peel off with long patch in my gravel leaving a big cloud of dust.:mad:Within seconds I get in my truck, get out to the straight away and go about 65 and barely caught which way they went at the main road. I was too far behind to catch up to them. This means they had to be doing about 80.What would you guys do? Myself, wife and daughter were upset about this and couldn't sleep well that night. Were thinking alarm system with cams and a gate (expensive). I'm thinking a paint ball gun might be handy but, then your inciting them to pay you back sometime.

Big Halogen spot light... right in the windshield, blind the crap outta them but you ought to be able to see inside. I've had motion detector on the driveway... I loved knowing when delivery guys showed up. Drove us nuts when a herd of deer wandered through repeatedly in the small hours of the night. I do think several motion activated lights are a good idea... the sneaky person lights himself up. Another idea is a game cam... infrared... might be able to get a picture of the plate.When I started with the Police, I was still married to my ex... her house was up a long drive. We'd occasionally get lost people driving in. I wired up serious flood lights on the barn so they covered the driveway. Actually I could light up the entire yard in all directions... came in handy with the horses when we'd get in late... as well as security. Anyrate, I got tired of going out to confront people who'd make an excuse... just turned the flood lights on them from inside & watched them leave. My dog had an overhead run that swept a lot of the driveway & would not give them much room to turn in either. Sometimes I had to hold the dog out of the way so they had room to turn. I do have a friend whose location is more remote than mine... He uses a welded farm gate. I'd not chase them... beyond your immediate yard... it wouldn't do to wreck trying to catch them.The hard part is you don't know what they were trying to do... sneak thieves? Kids looking for a place to park (do kids still do that)? Are they possibly dangerous?When I first dated the wife, she had continued in a state owned caretaker's house in wildlife area. In winter the gate in front of the house was locked. One night some Yahoos busted through the gate... only to discover another locked gate beyond it. We were in the park road, inspecting the damage with my Police Kel Light when they came back & came very close to running us down... intentionally. We dove out of the way or we would have been struck. I flung the Kel Light at the windshield... it was still lit when it landed in the woods. The paint on the light matched the vehicle the State Police stopped... they were convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. However, I should have put my truck across the drive with it's 10" channel iron bumper in the gate... as a Special Officer, I had a blue light... should have used it. The punks would have been trapped & waited for the State Police to arrive... & not risk our lives.

Flagmanruss, thanks for the good ideas, thoughts. Some good reading and gets one thinking about different types of security.

Another thought thats recommended by some of the LE community on some other boards I frequent... Amazon, Costco and Sams have some pretty decent $300 closed circuit TV camera systems that work pretty darn well.

Video and cameras are also very handy tools too. If you get lucky and get a photo or video of the vehicles or people it can be used to track them down.

As for me I'm starting Open Carry more often. As for weapons I typically have a pistol or a rifle close by at all times. I've even joined a forum of Idaho Carry (Open or Concealed)

As for the Idaho neighborhood its OK for the time but there is a few bad seed around here and I see the hand writing on the wall and know that when they get desperate they will steal just about anything from firewood, equipment, trailers, vehicles, you name it. So typically I keep everything locked up around here every night.

Another neat thing here! I've installed doubled key sided deadbolts in both buildings. So if you think you going to break in and come out the front door think again. Unless you have the key the door is not going to open for you. Yes I might sound paranoid but after living in Los Angeles, California for 20 years and being broke into, car vandalized, personal property stolen you tend to never change or trust anyone.

Like I'm already planning on fencing off the property, adding a gate that will be locked. I realize it not much but it will keep the honest people honest and give Diesel "The Dog" a chance at getting to the fence before the intruder.

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Some years ago, in a previous life, (the only bright spot in my disasterous first marriage)... the ex & I would trailer the horses out to the management area (where I now reside with the current Mrs). Some occasions we'd day trip, unload the horses at an extrance & ride from there. Often we'd meet other couples. On one occasion, the other couple had their truck broken into & her pocket book taken. (I carried mine & the 3" S&W 66.) The lady drove the road & found everything but the money scattered along the road.

A couple of weekends later, we met the same couple at a different entrance for another ride. I kidded her about leaving her pocket book at home. No, she said it was again on the floor of her truck, parked in the shade. I walked over & her doberman was sleeping peacefully on the seat. Nope, not opening THAT door!

I'm noticing a lot more people keeping a loaded pistol near the front and back door. I knew a guy that said he has a loaded gun within 10 feet of where ever he went in his house. I'm now keeping my gun where it's handier. It's always been unloaded upstairs hidden in a drawer. :lol:I'd like to invent a trap.... come home and find you caught some of these guys.

In laws were raising Belgian Shepards... historic farm house in VT. Mailman came to the farm house... no one answered the door... rather than leave the packages outside he walked in as he usually did, calling out, placed the package on the kitchen table... and that was where the inlaws found him several hours later when they returned home, sitting at their kitchen table. The dog let him in. Wouldn't let him leave. I know of a few instances like this with Shepards... The ex was on decent terms with her ex's father (grandfather to the daughter)... ex's property was broken off the farm. The father ran a excavation contracting business & all the equip was behind the house... beyond the dog houses for his hunting beagles. So we were sitting around the kitchen table having coffee when the dogs start in. John shuts off the light over the sink & peers out. "I can see them" he says, 2 steps he's at the kitchen door grabs up a double barrel shotgun & steps outside... BLAM!! BLAM!! I'm sitting there pretty much speachless. A minute or so we hear squealing tires headed down the street. In the cold clear light of day, knowing John's own equipment was in the line of fire... I'm sure he was using bird shot or maybe rock salt... I'm sure I wouldn't wait around to know what the NEXT round would be. John explains how the equipment had been losing fuel each night... but he could not see them sneaking through the corn. So he'd parked the equipment facing the other way. The fuel thefts stopped that night. His dogs slept through the night. But certain day-labor failed to show up for work after that.

2 items.. bright flashlight, laser pointer.. Or, just the laser pointer.. and hold it steady.. The 'red dot of death' will scare the hell out of anyone, I don't care who you are..

I'm noticing a lot more people keeping a loaded pistol near the front and back door. I knew a guy that said he has a loaded gun within 10 feet of where ever he went in his house. I'm now keeping my gun where it's handier. It's always been unloaded upstairs hidden in a drawer. I'd like to invent a trap.... come home and find you caught some of these guys.

It's never a bad idea to have one in every room in the house. If your on one side of the house and your guns on the other, and the bad guys are between you and the gun, your up the proverbial creek. Remember a hand gun is so you can fight your way to the long guns. A .22 is better than a rock and so is a knife. Take the misses and kid(s) shooting, if the don't go already. The next time you may not be home!! Revolvers are the penultimate for handgun protection.They can lay in a drawer, loaded for decades (climate controled environment) and never need looking after, you don't even have to rotate mags, like you do with an automatic. Lights with motion sensors are the best deterent, They go on and off as needed and don't waste energy. Most likely they won't be back, now that you have confronted them. They now know your are vigulant. Still they had to know about the place somehow. Could they have been using it for some time and you just now noticed? Is it possible that they were there to pick up a teenager of yours for a midnight joy ride? Good luck

But certain day-labor failed to show up for work after that.

Old John was the local equivelent of a Redneck... notice he had a loaded double 12 at hand. They may have thought the old man was an easy mark (especially since they had the opportunity to scope the place out in advance). The old man proved he was not one to fork with. Sometimes it helps if they think YOU ARE CRAZY! While not quite an "inside job", I have concluded that often times the perps or a another party with loose lips (a buddy or something) has had legitimate reason to be in the area... like a delivery man, a friend of a friend of a family member. A local farm/riding stable sometimes hosts music events... there was one that got out of control (in the Woostock era)... we've lived out here that long. The surrounding neighborhood was over run. Eventually it ended. In the next several months, there breakins reported up & down the road. No coincidence in our judgement in this otherwise quiet rural area. http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/aerosmith-freedom-jam-original-poster-1974 Time may have passed but the principals still apply.

Revolvers are the penultimate for handgun protection.They can lay in a drawer, loaded for decades (climate controled environment) and never need looking after, you don't even have to rotate mags, like you do with an automatic. Good luck

That may be true for some Semi-automatics..................but not Glocks!!!!

That may be true for some Semi-automatics..................but not Glocks!!!!

Ahhhh Dorkweed, you did not just play the block card???????????? Although they have a great rep. for going bang when you pull the trigger. They still suffer spring fatigue in the mags just like ever other auto/semi auto. they can and will FTF, FTE if neglected, in a drawer for months years on end. My only qualifier that made the revolver the best choice, was the fact that they can and will function 100% of the time without periodic maintenance, if stored in a climate controled house, there is no manual of arms, in case of a no fire cartridge, you simply pull the trigger again. If your in law enforcement a block is the firearm of choice. If you are a firearms enthusiast, a semi auto is a fine choice for home defence. For others that realize that, hey I need some protection, a revolver is the weapon of choice. Most often taken home put in a drawer and promptly forgotten about. Not trying to pick a fight here, just being practical. I'm a 1911 man myself, even with it's complicated manual of arms. If I was in law enforcment, it would be a Glock.

I agree with all that. But I prefer a SAF over a revolver. Maybe one day I will own a revolver, but for now, I love my S&W 4566 TSWFrom the Galaxy S3

Rotate magazines if you wish but Cooper's research was that modern springs didn't fatigue like the early ones. My last duty gun was a S&W 645... still have it, still love it. My FTO (Field Training Officer) showed me how to carry 3 guns... He had a second old fashoned cuff case, center of back with a small auto. I never could get the feel for an ankle holster like he did. I carried the 39 & 2 extra mags in a Miami Classic under a jacket. It was interesting watch people's eyes follow the 645 in it's security holster while I could have my hands crossed across my chest with fingers on the 39.