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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

Has anyone ever ran Prist for a antigel??? My truck gelled up over the last blizzard that we had here in souteast kansas and after 24 hours of letting it sit with some 911 in the tank it finally started. Just wondering if there is a better antigel out there or maybe even a fuel tank heater.

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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

ok thank you. i had a friend of mine tell me he uses a gallon of gasoline to a full tank of diesel and it works very well.

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AH64ID    637
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Prist really only deals with water in the fuel, the Jet Fuel is already good for the cold temps (gel wise) without prist. Kerosene is nothing more than No 1 thats a little bit "drier" you can mix it in any ratio you want, just make sure you have a lubricity additive in the tank too. But if you can find No 1 thats the best. 50:50 below about 20* and 100% below about -10*F is a good general rule of thumb.

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ISX    58
ISX

I would run a little kerosene before anything else. It burns just like diesel fuel (unlike gas) so it is the best thing to add. Just remember that it is about $1.20 more than regular diesel..

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DieselD24    0
DieselD24

Where would one obtain Kerosene from?

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stodg73    6
stodg73

You can get it at a hardware store, very expensive. You might ask a fuel delivery person if they know.

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DieselD24    0
DieselD24

ACE, Home Depot, Lowes?Harbor Freight... Maybe? LOL.

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stodg73    6
stodg73

Yes, ACE, Lowe's, Home Depot, they all may have it, but it will be a little more expensive. If you have a Big R in Denver they have 2 gallon cans of kerosene for $22.

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DieselD24    0
DieselD24

Nope, no Big R around here. Nearest one I know of is about 60 miles north from here.

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ISX    58
ISX

I would be asking around the fuel stations for where a pump is. They are kinda rare but one station always seems to have it. Like ours is at a truck stop around back, just a big tank with an old pump on it. But yeah it was $4.40 while diesel was $3.20. If you have to buy it at the store in a fancy container I am betting it would cost a fortune.

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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

so kerosene is a good anitgel? and if not which of the power service is a good antigel? The same friend that told me to use a little bit of gasoline told me that the grey bottle of PR is better than the white bottle???:shrug:

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DieselD24    0
DieselD24

Well, I tried looking for the cloud and pour points of diesel fuel and kerosene but couldn't come up with anything. Generally the pour point is 5-25 degrees lower than the cloud point.

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ISX    58
ISX

Well, I tried looking for the cloud and pour points of diesel fuel and kerosene but couldn't come up with anything. Generally the pour point is 5-25 degrees lower than the cloud point.

From what I can find, kerosene does not have a cloud or gel point, but only a freeze point. Therefore, it is like water. As for temps, Jet A (pure kerosene jet fuel) freezes around -50F.

As far as lube, I actually found the HFRR on kerosene at one time and it was 663 I think. Mikes chart shows ULSD is 636. So kerosene isn't exactly paint thinner, but it still needs 2 stroke added, since it is slightly worse than ULSD.

As for which bottle of power service, I thought the grey one wasn't even an antigel :shrug:

[*]Grey PS

[*]White PS

Most any antigel will work just fine, but no matter what you do to lower the cloud point, use 2 stroke oil! I haven't seen a single thing that lowers cloud point that doesn't also reduce lube, which is especially important in the winter when tolerances are tighter.

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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

well the problem i ran into was I had a 1/2 bottle of the white PR and it still gelled up!!! So i was looking for a better anitgel. So i guess i will run kerosene now with a little more 2 stroke.:shrug:

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ISX    58
ISX

well the problem i ran into was I had a 1/2 bottle of the white PR and it still gelled up!!! So i was looking for a better anitgel. So i guess i will run kerosene now with a little more 2 stroke.:shrug:

How cold was it when it gelled up?

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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

i dont know exactly but it happened when this most recent snow storm came thru and we had some really cold wind chills i think it was down around -10 or so over night.

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ISX    58
ISX

i dont know exactly but it happened when this most recent snow storm came thru and we had some really cold wind chills i think it was down around -10 or so over night.

Forgot you were right next to me :lol: Yeah that night was cold. Even so, my fuel starts to gel around -8F (or so it seemed, truck was bucking and was not happy). That is without any antigel, so I would think any power service would have dropped it down to at least -20. Worthless crap. I have red diesel in a jar outside a window and even on that night, it still won't gel up, and it's months old. Maybe Kansas uses less additives.

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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

so now that we have established PR is crap! I guess i will start running a little kerosene in there instead. well another learning curve!:doh:

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ISX    58
ISX

Guess I was thinking PR meant PS. So it is the Prist thats crap. Power service might be better then. Kerosene would be my first choice.

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Heavyd1980    1
Heavyd1980

sorry my bad was suppose to be PS!!! so yes kerosene first choice!

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Prist really only deals with water in the fuel, the Jet Fuel is already good for the cold temps (gel wise) without prist. Kerosene is nothing more than No 1 thats a little bit "drier" you can mix it in any ratio you want, just make sure you have a lubricity additive in the tank too. But if you can find No 1 thats the best. 50:50 below about 20* and 100% below about -10*F is a good general rule of thumb.

WOW you get too anxious, I don't even think about running any sort of winter fuel until temps get to around 0 or below 10 degrees for an extended period. Then I run either amsoil or schaeffers fuel conditioner and if the temps fall to below zero then I switch over to winter fuel having never gone over a 50/50 blend but we have a special Cenex wintermaster blend with lubricity additives in it already and its good to -35. Before wintermaster came about I usually ran 75/25 at most with additive and have never gelled up in 25 years of driving diesel rigs. As for others I would never add gasoline and Kerosene would be a last resort, There has to be #1 fuel somewheres close by you. most space heaters or hot water pressure washers use #1 diesel fuel.
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WOW you get too anxious, I don't even think about running any sort of winter fuel until temps get to around 0 or below 10 degrees for an extended period. Then I run either amsoil or schaeffers fuel conditioner and if the temps fall to below zero then I switch over to winter fuel having never gone over a 50/50 blend but we have a special Cenex wintermaster blend with lubricity additives in it already and its good to -35. Before wintermaster came about I usually ran 75/25 at most with additive and have never gelled up in 25 years of driving diesel rigs.

As for others I would never add gasoline and Kerosene would be a last resort, There has to be #1 fuel somewheres close by you. most space heaters or hot water pressure washers use #1 diesel fuel.

As for gasoline I would never use that... But as for access to #1 diesel is a long way from me (100 miles)... But the local hardware store does have kerosene in stock. But like ISX mention its expensive. But checking over the local fuelstation and talking with the owners I know who is adding PPD's (pour point depressants) the fuel and who isn't... :smart:

EDIT: I was curious and did a quick search and found this...

http://www.toad.net/~jsmeenen/fuel.html

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