Has anybody tried this stuff yet? I put a raptor on a guys pickup and he gave me two quarts of this stuff. He said he has been using it for years on his tractors and pickups. He said he has ran #2 all winter so far and hasnt had any problems that everybody else was having. I tried to find the hffr score but couldnt. If you search there is a 74 page study done on it.

Here is one of he links i found.

http://georgialubepartners.com/press%20release-sustain.htm

Mopar Mike's got me so sold on 2 stroke for an additive, I really don't spend much time getting to know others. I even keep a case of gallon jugs on the shelf all the time. If the dollar's value goes, I think 2 stoke would still be good even at Mc Donalds for a hamburger.

 

Mopartech, I think that if there is no expressed score value, which is always the best selling point, there might be a reason.

 

Of course being wrong all my life has become  common practice with me Except for buying Cummins trucks.

Edited February 14, 201411 yr by JAG1

I run 2 stroke in the summer but i need something good for gelling in the winter. I have seen every product gel up this winter so i am willing to try something different

I see your reason for using it. Have you tried getting the MSDS on it?

that stuff must be pure evil.. or your customer parks his truck in a heated shop overnight...

You sure he's been only burning #2? It might be just what we need!

JAG: I got a msds Material Safey Data Sheet on a product they call

Artic formula. They have a lot of products... I figured this may be the one.

only talked about the hazardous ingredients..

Isopropyl alcohol, Aliphatic hydrocarbons, and Tolulene. How to extinguish a fire,

what to do if spilled, etc.

Edited February 15, 201411 yr by rancherman

I only use the 2 stroke oil and have never had a gelling problem here in Idaho.  Of course my cold weather driving experience in Idaho has only been down to -3F.

I run the normal version of the diesel 911 couple time a winter and 2 stroke year round. It been getting around 0 and I have had no issues

You are running 911 as an anti-gel?

that stuff must be pure evil.. or your customer parks his truck in a heated shop overnight...

You sure he's been only burning #2? It might be just what we need!

JAG: I got a msds Material Safey Data Sheet on a product they call

Artic formula. They have a lot of products... I figured this may be the one.

only talked about the hazardous ingredients..

Isopropyl alcohol, Aliphatic hydrocarbons, and Tolulene. How to extinguish a fire,

what to do if spilled, etc.

Hmm, sounds like that's all they need to reveal, not the proprietary info.

 

Never know.... might just have right kind of snake oil.

 

I'm not a chemist but seems to me you need solvents to lower the cloud point in the fuel. I'd probly put in normal amount of 2 stroke then add the anti-gel stuff. Whatever amount of anti-gel goes in I'd add in again, that much more 2 stroke. I'd probly do a test overnight in a clear bottle letting sit outside to see how little it takes for no cloud in the fuel.

Edited February 15, 201411 yr by JAG1

The #2 your friend is using has to be a winterized #2, or it would gel at around 17 to 20 degrees. Even southern states have a blended #2 during the winter months.

Maybe I missed it, but the test appears to be a fuel efficiency/lubricity test only with no mention of any antigel properties.  According to the report, the HFRR was improved from 10-60 micron. According to the HFRR scoring standards, a + or - 20 micron change is considered insignificant due to testing variables.

Edited February 16, 201411 yr by diesel4life

Ya im not saying its good or not just trying to find info. This winter has been brutal on fuel. I didnt believe he was running #2 since i do believe all fuel is blended except #1. I will try it once it gets cold out and see how it does. Will just add 2stroke to make sure there is enough lube.

I'm familiar with Hydrotex , great old line Company , knew many fuel distributors that added their flow improvers and a few used their cetane boost.

Here is the problem... All diesel fuel in the US is about ~520 HFRR score and Bosch requires <450 HFRR to me designed standards.

 

 

So if your using a anti-get most products tend to increase the HFRR score because they typically use Xylene and other products to prevent paraffin wax from gelling up. So how to keep pour point down and HFRR scores down? This is the biggest issue.

Has  ANYONE  ever tested   treated fuel  PLUS   2 stroke?

Has  ANYONE  ever tested   treated fuel  PLUS   2 stroke?

 

Unofficially yes. I've gotten two numbers for 128:1 ratio 380 and 420 HFRR... These two numbers I can't absolutely confirm because its was passed down from another person from another person.

Has  ANYONE  ever tested   treated fuel  PLUS   2 stroke?

 Are you asking about fuel treated with an anti gel and 2 stroke or just 2 stroke @ 128:1?

Has  ANYONE  ever tested   treated fuel  PLUS   2 stroke?

 

 

 Are you asking about fuel treated with an anti gel and 2 stroke or just 2 stroke @ 128:1?

 

I'm assuming treated is 520 HFRR standard diesel instead of the 636 HFRR of untreated diesel which was used in the other test.

well,  actually  I was thinking  anyone of the   so called  'antigel'  treatments      'howes',  powerservice,  etc.  plus  the  2 stroke.

 

Then  theres  always  the   'winterized'  fuels,    and  the    blended..    Winterized  around here   is kinda up to the  discretion  of the supplier.   it could  be   50/50   #1  #2,   or   any ratio  up or down,    then  any number of  his  'secret'  additives'   could be  blended in too~!

 

I wonder if  there's  a   independent   lab   me or you could  send  samples to?     A  quick search  only gave me  a couple of  global type mega labs.   

I"d like to send em  a  sample of   what I have  out of the barrel,    then one  treated with  a   product  such as   powerservice ( at  recommended and   ahem,  'actual'  dosage )    and   yet another  with   2 stroke  too.

well,  actually  I was thinking  anyone of the   so called  'antigel'  treatments      'howes',  powerservice,  etc.  plus  the  2 stroke.

 

Then  theres  always  the   'winterized'  fuels,    and  the    blended..    Winterized  around here   is kinda up to the  discretion  of the supplier.   it could  be   50/50   #1  #2,   or   any ratio  up or down,    then  any number of  his  'secret'  additives'   could be  blended in too~!

 

I wonder if  there's  a   independent   lab   me or you could  send  samples to?     A  quick search  only gave me  a couple of  global type mega labs.   

I"d like to send em  a  sample of   what I have  out of the barrel,    then one  treated with  a   product  such as   powerservice ( at  recommended and   ahem,  'actual'  dosage )    and   yet another  with   2 stroke  too.

 

 

There are labs in most states , you might try looking for Dept. of Weights & Measure in your home state , I knew people who used Southwest Research Labs too.

I have used some Amsoil Synthetic 2 Stroke in my 2003 Cummins and too me it actually sounded soother at idle, but thats just my ear.