Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
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More changes are coming mike, good ones.  More control of timing at cruise, but the base is the same.  

 

I am excited to see how this is going to work.  

So am I. This is awesome.

243 miles now heading home.

 

Made it home I'm just barely off the 1/2 mark and got 362 miles in this trip. Basically did speed limit the whole trip. When I got to the interstate I ran it at 80 MPH. I was totally shocked after 90 miles of interstate travel at 80 MPH I continue home at 65 MPH up US95 and still get home with 21.7 MPG. I'm stoked. 

So I found out that the map sensor for late trucks sucks.

 

Early trucks take altitude into consideration, late trucks do not..

 

So I fixed the map for the boost sensor for Tyler and it broke it for sea level.  

Maybe that why the Scan Gauge II picks up the map so strangely? I have seen nothing but really strange readings of mine. It never reads 0, mostly in the 30's as I remember. I dont even set it on the map anymore.

I honestly have no idea man, it is frustrating. ( dodge is beating me up)

Edited October 27, 20168 yr by Me78569

Filled up tonight at 17.8mpg with 340 miles. That's 1/2 city, 1/2 highway and running 80 on the highway. Some old school quad, some smarty, some new quad and some crazy timing   We'll get something figured out eventually. 

 

SG says it's reading PSI, but mine is always high was well. Seems to be going up in 1psi increments but I'll look again tomorrow. Going to have to do something with that as I'm still not reading boost until I have 4psi. Makes the truck a bit laggier in the city. Lots of power when she spools though!

 

Smarty: (because I'm not affiliated with any company in any way) Smarty timing does not go below about 17.5* of timing during normal driving, making it smokey and spool slower. I'm going to catch what a throttle stab does with can-bus fuel on smarty and compare it to the quad with the quad v2 , so everyone can see how the smarty is just throwing a boat load of fuel on even at 0psi and how quad limits the fuel to the user defined setting to eliminate smoke. 

 

As a note, I am not bashing smarty. Actually I've enjoyed years of towing with it, I just think their tuning makes truck run very dirty in stock form and horribly dirty  with big injectors. 

Kind of like the Edge Comp. It's good powerful box but not enough control to clean it up properly. Now with the Quadzilla and it's simple programming you can control timing and fuel both. I'm sure the Smarty Pro will too but still limited in power production without a wire tap.

 

3 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Kind of like the Edge Comp. It's good powerful box but not enough control to clean it up properly. Now with the Quadzilla and it's simple programming you can control timing and fuel both. I'm sure the Smarty Pro will too but still limited in power production without a wire tap.

 

Hmm.... too bad you can't stack data links.... otherwise you could show us some edge timing @Mopar1973Man. It'd be interesting to compare stock, edge, smarty, quad. Feel like splicing some wires  

I am so so so close to cruise state verify to jump into the timing map needed.  Been a royal PITA

1 hour ago, TFaoro said:

Smarty: (because I'm not affiliated with any company in any way) Smarty timing does not go below about 17.5* of timing during normal driving, making it smokey and spool slower. I'm going to catch what a throttle stab does with can-bus fuel on smarty and compare it to the quad with the quad v2 , so everyone can see how the smarty is just throwing a boat load of fuel on even at 0psi and how quad limits the fuel to the user defined setting to eliminate smoke. 

 

As a note, I am not bashing smarty. Actually I've enjoyed years of towing with it, I just think their tuning makes truck run very dirty in stock form and horribly dirty  with big injectors. 

 

I am going to open a new thread shortly but the Smarty in my little time using it has shed new light on the power potential of these trucks with can bus fueling. There needs to be more r&d on the user side of the smarty settings but so far i am completely smoke free with the smarty.

 

Revo plus sw levels allow alot of adjustment so dont count it out in the can bus hp battle. To add some fuel to the fire, lets have can bus hp showdown bettween quad & smarty! The other thread will be mine as well as others r&d for smarty on low smoke power.

looking forward to it.

 

More data the better,  I wish you could data log.  

 

Do you have injectors or just stockers?

New timing stuff,  I am working out a few small bugs, but I think we have it. 

 

 

 

Note thatwhen TPS and MPH both remain semi stable timing gets set to ~19-20*.  This timing amount is user defined so you can choose between 17* up to 25* depending on what is setup for cruise_time_max.  Cruise time max is added to 17* so if you want 20* cruise timing you would set your custom tuning for cruise time maxt to 3*.

 

Alright, 

 

Here is a good juicy data.  Attached is the excel spreadsheet

 

 

NICK Data Log.csv

FAQ is built,

 

 

I think I have a fix in place for boost for late trucks.  

 

Tyler is trying it out to see if it works.

Edit:. I also found the bug that prevents the cruise timing from taking place if cc is used on electric cc trucks.

 

 

22 hours ago, NightHawk said:

 

I am going to open a new thread shortly but the Smarty in my little time using it has shed new light on the power potential of these trucks with can bus fueling. There needs to be more r&d on the user side of the smarty settings but so far i am completely smoke free with the smarty.

 

Revo plus sw levels allow alot of adjustment so dont count it out in the can bus hp battle. To add some fuel to the fire, lets have can bus hp showdown bettween quad & smarty! The other thread will be mine as well as others r&d for smarty on low smoke power.

Looking forward to this, and I can do some testing as well. I don't see the smarty working for me, but I do enjoy being proved wrong!

 

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

I think I have a fix in place for boost for late trucks.  

 

Tyler is trying it out to see if it works.

Edit:. I also found the bug that prevents the cruise timing from taking place if cc is used on electric cc trucks.

 

 

I'm excited. I love using CC and haven't been able to, so this should make me very happy! It should also stay in cruise state no matter what considering the petal isn't moving. 

 

Having the boost at the right # will help with spool for me... Having to set 0 quite low to tune out smoke then not see the boost gauge move until 7psi is causing some lag. 

Nicks got mine tweaked in close. Absolutely filled in that hole in my fuelling map. The lag is gone for the most part and it spools much faster and harder now. I've also go to tweak the fuel map some because of gaining a bit of smoke. 

Quick question,  am I missing something with the CAN Bus thing? I didn't think Dodge went CAN Bus until 2006....

2nd  gen trucks use canbus j1939 to communicate between the ecm and vp44