Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

21 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Older quad tunes,

 

keep the quad turned up to max level, keep tps pump min at %20 and set timing at 8* with 100% scaling.   

 

Most importantly keep the quad turned up.  old quad tunes scaled the timing based on levels so if you run on lvl 3 you might only be cruising at 17-18* of timing

 

Thank you, another few questions if I may, as I'm not too bright with this. 

I saved this tune under tune 1 and drove about 120ml so far, feels responsive especially after I get to 20% load then it fuels harder, is it because of tps pump min is set to 20?. It did surge a little a few times under light acceleration, but not bad. I guess I have a lot of questions but will start with simple ones I think.

1 If I drive on max level, doesn't it use wire tap then? and the idea is to use can bus only for best mpg

2 according to quad when I purchased it level 1 was max mileage and I believe Jeremy said that's all it did is pull more timing and nothing else how far did that pull timing and was it just can bus fueling then (never got a clear answer on that from anyone I don't think) and most guys said they were getting more power and better mpg in higher levels anyway. 

2 How exactly does this can bus add more fuel without wire tap? 

2 This fuel stretch at 1800, is that milliseconds of time that it's holding the fuel solenoid open longer?

4 So if the new quad box is the same as the one I got, by saving this tune you provided me, is it same as updating it to betta tunes, or this new stuff you've been working on and everyone is impressed with is something else and I need a software update with your latest update? 

 

Man I have so much to learn, had this thing for 4-5 years now and never seen the full potential. 

I hope this made since at all. 

39 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

1 If I drive on max level, doesn't it use wire tap then? and the idea is to use can bus only for best mpg

 

 

Because you have to exceed 20% TPS value to hit wire tap so your riding on CANBus fuel only till you cross that 20% value of TPS.

 

39 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

2 according to quad when I purchased it level 1 was max mileage and I believe Jeremy said that's all it did is pull more timing and nothing else how far did that pull timing and was it just can bus fueling then (never got a clear answer on that from anyone I don't think) and most guys said they were getting more power and better mpg in higher levels anyway. 

 

 

 

I don't go for the pre-packaged programs claiming MPG mode. Like mine is 6* of timing and hitting better MPG numbers than @Me78569 or @TFaoro on the interstate now. More timing doesn't always mean better MPG's. Like myself being I've only got +50HP injectors I don't need the heavy timing because I've got a good spray from my mild injectors so it lights easy.

 

39 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

2 How exactly does this can bus add more fuel without wire tap? 

 

 

 

You can tune each boost PSI position with as much or little of fuel as you wish. So you can defuel below stock for guys like @TFaoro and get the turbos lit up and then cross back over to above stock to continue building power. 

 

39 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

2 This fuel stretch at 1800, is that milliseconds of time that it's holding the fuel solenoid open longer?

 

 

 

Correction. It's not milliseconds... It MICROseconds. So, like I'm set for 1400 MICROseocnds fo fuel stretch. This is the added time the wire tap is adding to the fuel solenoid.

 

39 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

4 So if the new quad box is the same as the one I got, by saving this tune you provided me, is it same as updating it to betta tunes, or this new stuff you've been working on and everyone is impressed with is something else and I need a software update with your latest update? 

 

 

 

As far as I know you just update to the newest App on your device and then update the Quadzilla Adrenaline to the newest V2 flash and your all set. 

Edited November 1, 20168 yr by Mopar1973Man

The tune I sent you is not a V2 beta tune it is a V1 tune. 

 

You might want to read through the tuning article I wrote for the quad.  It goes into details. about tuning for both the V1 tunes and the V2 tunes

 

The V1 tuning can be surgey at light throttle, just the nature of the beast.  The v2 tuning solves that.

6 hours ago, Me78569 said:

The tune I sent you is not a V2 beta tune it is a V1 tune. 

 

You might want to read through the tuning article I wrote for the quad.  It goes into details. about tuning for both the V1 tunes and the V2 tunes

 

The V1 tuning can be surgey at light throttle, just the nature of the beast.  The v2 tuning solves that.

Thank you for the article, I did read through it but some of it went right over. So is this new software(v2) you are currently tweaking for Tyler and Mike and others available for me or anyone to download someplace? and then I assume i need an older computer to update my quad module? I'm sorry for these simple questions but I'm kind of a pipe wrench and hammer guy. But once I'll grasp this I'll be alright   

Another question about regarding current tune you sent me, is pump stretch and timing ok where they are or should I lower it like Mike to 6 timing and 1400 stretch, and tps pump min at 20 does it mean when i get to 20% load then wire tap starts to work?  I'm going to stay behind couch for a while. 

46 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

I'm going to stay behind couch for a while. 

 

I did the same thing finally took the bull by the horn and went face to face. I suggest just playing with the stock v2 tune for now and slow tweak it a little at a time. There is several variables that will affect when and where the wire tap comes into play.

You can't download the V2 stuff yet.  Still working bugs out.  

Good news!

Timing at cruise for late model trucks with electric Cruise control now works! glad that one is fixed

Offidle boost is working now for late and early trucks, varified by multiple trucks at multiple altitudes!

Low boost timing reduction with scaling is working! Should help with spooling a big single. user can pull between 0* and 5* timing down to 8* total timing. This is based on a map so timing will pull most at high tps 0 boost and none beyond 8psi boost.

Cruise timing addition is working, user can define how much timing from 17* to 25* at cruise state ( 25* is too much timing, by hey who am I to say you cant?)

Performance timing addition is working with scaling working ( unlike the old quad tunes) 

RPM limit is working! User can define where they want redline between 3200 rpm to 3700 rpm. ( no unlock code needed )

Power Reduction is working. Use can define how much power, on a scale of 0-100%, they want when on lvl 1 of the tuner. %100 being stock power 0% being truck just dies. Anything under ~%25 wont likely drive. ANY truck should pass a tailpipe smoke test with this set to ~%50, but honestly there is no reason a healthy truck shouldn't pass if you tune your truck well.

Pump tap low limit PSI is working, user can define what psi of boost they want wiretap to start fueling at. 0-25 psi

Pump low psi %. Allows the user to define how much wiretap they want below "pump tap low limit psi" setting. User can set it from 0% to %100. 



Data logging is working ( not my doing, good job Quadzilla very useful feature), with Export to Excel. the quad will show you all sensors, including Canbus fueling, and timing. You can also data log the ECM fueling to see how things work in the ECM.


I am closing the chapter on this round of V2 tuning. I don't know of any existing bugs so I will deal with them as they come up, but I am VERY VERY VERY happy with what can be done now. A user can EASILY tune their own truck using only their cell phone and a few minutes without needing to know the in's and out's of tuning. On the fly tuning can be done by selecting from up to 10 different tunes on their phone. 1/2 power mode, or more exactly user defined power mode, can be turned on by selecting lvl1 on the screen. No delay. no need to change tunes etc.


I have to give a big thanks to the beta testers out there, They have given me a TON of data / feedbase / suggestions. They have put up with loading tune over tune over tune to finally get things sorted. 
@TFaoro , @Carbur8tr @Mopar1973Man I know there are others, but I can't think of them now. 

In depth documentation has been completed. If you plan on running the Quadzilla Adrenline V2 tuning please read these. 
Quadzilla Tuning InDepth
Quadzilla V2 tuning FAQ

things I still want to tackle in the future ( no timeline no promises, but stuff I am very much interested in doing)

-Torque Management.....It can be defeated without killing the dash. It prob won't be smooth or really that DD friendly when using high throttle, but it will overwhelm TM at the track. ( techinically if you build a tune starting at 115% and ramping up to 130% fast you will notice a significant decrease in TM...race tune only!!!)
-Ecm data. I want more out of the ECM. What ? I dunno, but there is more to be read, what good is it? no idea, NO NEW PEAK POWER TO BE FOUND. sorry nothing to be found
-Coolant reading over 204* would be nice. For whatever reason the ecm doesn't seem to report beyond 204*f for whatever reason, it does to the sci bus just not the j1939 bus.....
- better / more in depth MPG features to help the driver know if their driving style supports good MPG. maybe even a bit of code to automatically lean out fueling when at cruise

As I said don't take any of that as in stone, it might happen...it might not... I dunno, but it is on my mind, mostly the TM stuff as I hate that you guys with late trucks need to kill the dash.


So what to do from here? Lets get some data coming it! I want to see what tunes you are running with before and after videos with datalogs. Lets open up the 24v tuning market and enable anyone to feel like they can tune their VP44 Powered truck.

Very well said and some VERY HARD work done by @Me78569. Honestly I probably would have had to switch injectors as these left clouds everywhere at the slightest throttle input. Now I can stab my foot to 75% nearly smoke free and watch the power climb as boost climbs. My truck is very friendly on the street (nearly zero smoke with 7x.013) and a puts solid numbers down on the dyno and the street when I want it (500 can-bus 610 wiretap).

 

As of right now there is no other single programmer that can take a smokey pig and make it drive friendlier than a stock truck while putting big numbers down (big for a vp anyway.) 

 

Can't thank Nick enough for putting up with my griping / complaining. 

 

Big thanks to @Quadzilla Power for getting everything working with the app. May have some future requests for them as well. 

Hahaha no Tyler your complaining made it better and I appreciate everything you did and all the diesel you went through. 

 

Now it's time to enjoy the tuning since stuff is "stable" lololol.

Thank u guys for all the hard work Nick Tyler Mike and quadzilla Ur making something remarkable for guys like me that want a high power street truck but want to be able to reduce power so u can let gf ect drive by them self's and make it truly daily able without making rain clouds I wanna say I'm appreciative of Ur guys hard work 

Hey Nick quad also coming for 03 to 07 6.0 powerstrokes?

Edited November 3, 20168 yr by Silverdodge

I gotta admit that @Me78569 has the hardest job. He keeps creating new puzzles for me to keep attempting to keep my good MPG tune. Like everyone involved we all have different goals and different purposes for our Quadzilla. The common goal of all of us is to have a smokeless tune and all the power you can make. Like my 2 tunes are based on "Empty Truck" or "Towing" tunes both I want good power, little to zero smoke. My best displayed on the OBDLink is 450 HP and 1200 FT/LBS at the flywheel (Calculated power at the flywheel - Not a dyno run)

Edited November 3, 20168 yr by Mopar1973Man

Big thanks to @Me78569 for all of the patience and continued help with everything.  @Mopar1973Man is right, he really does not have an easy job putting up with all of us and with anything it can be frustrating at times especially when you work so hard on the code only to find that something went wrong or one little mistake was made.

This is miles ahead of the competition and definitely makes driving and using my truck more enjoyable, efficient, and at the end of the day, responsible.  Our community has come a long way and to be virtually smoke free but yet powerful is almost a dream and something that our generation of trucks has been in need of for a long time.  

Thanks again @Me78569.

7 hours ago, Silverdodge said:

Thank u guys for all the hard work Nick Tyler Mike and quadzilla Ur making something remarkable for guys like me that want a high power street truck but want to be able to reduce power so u can let gf ect drive by them self's and make it truly daily able without making rain clouds I wanna say I'm appreciative of Ur guys hard work 

Hey Nick quad also coming for 03 to 07 6.0 powerstrokes?

 

 

I have no idea what their plans are honestly. I am just a mule working on the stuff for our trucks.

Thank you for all of the hard work, I'm glad I held on to this quad this long. I thought it would be forgotten. What do I need to get this v2 tuning. I have quad box and v2 pulse monitor from 5 years ago. Do I just need an Iphone or that thing called iquad is not an iphone, and v2 tune downloaded to box? where is all of this good stuff? I want it, I want it, I want it, 

P.S. that tune you sent me fro v1, is a nice responsive tune with minimal surge and almost no smoke. I still netted right at 20 mpg as I did before with regular comp tune that came on quad on level 3. But it was definitely more responsive. 

Edited November 3, 20168 yr by Dieselfuture

you need the iquad ( wifi for i devives and bluetooth for andriod) dongle, The update flash for the box and you are off to the races.

15 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

you need the iquad ( wifi for i devives and bluetooth for andriod) dongle, The update flash for the box and you are off to the races.

Can I just buy it separate or do I need to buy the whole thing all over again?

Sorry and nevermind looks like they sell for $200

Edited November 3, 20168 yr by Dieselfuture

Yep.  

 

The PC screen doesn't have the code for the expanded tuning.  

11 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Yep.  

 

The PC screen doesn't have the code for the expanded tuning.  

Ok, I feel like an idiot, but might as well be me asking a few more dumb questions. Looks like there is iquad and iquadbt guessing one is for apple phone and one is for droid phone. As mentioned above iquad uses wifi and iquadbt uses bluetooth. So does this Iquad send a wifi signal then? to be able to connect to phone wirelessly? 

PC screen ? Meaning old screen that I have (v2 pulse)

2 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

Looks like there is iquad and iquadbt guessing one is for apple phone and one is for droid phone.

 

Yes. I've got the iQuad BT for my Android phone.

3 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

So does this Iquad send a wifi signal then? to be able to connect to phone wirelessly? 

 

Yes. Is completely wireless data to the device. 

 

As for old school displays you'll have to ask @Me78569 about it.

5 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

 

Yes. I've got the iQuad BT for my Android phone.

 

Yes. Is completely wireless data to the device. 

 

As for old school displays you'll have to ask @Me78569 about it.

Thank you, so if i buy this iquadbt, how do I download this latest software that ME78569 just got working on, through my phone or does this iquad module has to be connected to desktop, I know I'm not that bright when it comes to electronics. And is the software available now?