Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

8 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Some thoughts about maybe raising the pop pressure on some bigger injectors says 7 x .011's ish maybe 12's and see if we can reduce the issues related to the limitations of pressure control in our injection system and limitations of mechanical injectors.

I'm listening....  In all seriousness I've been tossing around the idea of getting another pair of 7x.012s here soon so all I need is one more excuse lol.  Probably go with VCO this time though in an attempt to get a clean daily driver while also having the ability to fuel a larger setup.  My SACs were not bad but were not clean that's for damn sure.  Let me know what you're thinking, I might be able to help out with testing.

 

On a side note, do you think Chris could do a custom or stock HO angled injector or do you think he just buys and assembles?  Never heard much on how he operates.

 

Also, I did not see any loping today so no dice yet.

Y'all may have already covered this in the 30+ pages. 

 

Does engine load have a inverse effect on timing?

18 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Well don't tease us.  I don't know the result and  I would much rather listen to someone who has already spent time messing with it. 

Stalling issues happen with funky pop and tight converters. Happened to me personally and someone recently on fb.

5 hours ago, 903Dodge said:

Y'all may have already covered this in the 30+ pages. 

 

Does engine load have a inverse effect on timing?

What do you mean exactly?   Is there a situtaiton you saw that you need explained?

 

how load eddects timing depends on what your max load timing offset is set at. 

12 hours ago, Carbur8tr said:

I'm listening....  In all seriousness I've been tossing around the idea of getting another pair of 7x.012s here soon so all I need is one more excuse lol.  Probably go with VCO this time though in an attempt to get a clean daily driver while also having the ability to fuel a larger setup.  My SACs were not bad but were not clean that's for damn sure.  Let me know what you're thinking, I might be able to help out with testing.

 

On a side note, do you think Chris could do a custom or stock HO angled injector or do you think he just buys and assembles?  Never heard much on how he operates.

 

Also, I did not see any loping today so no dice yet.

Kody,

 

I am the farthest thing from an injector expert you will find.  I was only mulling over that idea as a way to help clean up idle smoke.  In my mind ( I might be way wrong) if you set pop pressure up by ~10-20 bar the injectors will pop at a higher pressure and thus help idle smoke.  

 

However that is only my very limited understanding of how the injectors work.  You should really do some research into it if you wanted to try it because I really don't know.  

 

@jlbayes  thoughts experience?

Sole reason I tell people NOT to touch their injectors when ppump swapping. The higher pop produces a cleaner idle. Within reason of course as nothing is going going to help my sac 6x.018s lol

 

Auto trucks can be accommodated but it requires messing with the stall speed (raising). Not something most would want to do as expense and down time.

Edited February 7, 20178 yr by jlbayes

I wish I had all the time in the world to mess with it.  I'd try a set of 7 x . 012's with bumped pop pressure and see if I could get it to idle haha.  

 

I find it interesting that you would have stall issues though, the ECM does a great job of trying to prevent that at idle.  if I only had time

Usually only when trans & fluid is cold. Reverse or drive it would kill the engine. Let it idle for 5min and it would be happy as a clam.

On my 15 mile trek to work I noticed engine load was low the timing would go up and when load was high timing would drop. 

 

There is probably a easy explanation.  

 

Also I just now put the timing gauge up on my quad so this is all new to me. 

What flash are you running?  If you haven't done the most recent I would.  That helps me know what the quad is doing exactly. 

 

But yes what you are seeing is cruise timing kicking in.  IF you are at a steady speed and steady load above 40 mph cruise timing kick in to try and get your MPG up. if your cruise timing is set to 2* then I would expect to see timing in the 18-19* region. If you jump on the trhrottle timing willing drop, as it should, to be more performance orinated.  

 

 

Way better this trip. No injector miss. Running about 17 degrees of timing, very quiet, very little rattle.

added a video for how ot flash with the windows 10 thread.

@jlbayes I've read a few injector pop threads and I don't recall anyone really determining anything that was ground breaking or helpful for that matter.  I think my injectors are around 305 bar right now.  I know you're no injector builder but what's the highest pop pressure you've heard of someone running in a VP?

 

Still wish SACs were not as dirty as they are otherwise I might consider them again.  Just the nature of the design though that they'll be dirty.

 

All this said, it might be a better question for Chris or Weston, honestly haven't talked to either in a while though.

 

On the note of the idle, manual here so I don't see having an issue.

 

 

Also, I made a few changes to the macro I built for pulling max/min/averages and so forth.  Pretty easy to use, no graphs just data.

 

 

Quad_Data_Macro_v1.17.xlsm

 

 

Edited February 8, 20178 yr by Carbur8tr

I like data,. Spencer sent me a butt load of data logs to look over so it will come in handy.

@Carbur8tr, I had a set at 310 bar. My current set is 290 bar. You likely won't see any secrets posted in public.

found a bug in the boost defuel section effectively it would not boost defuel until 16 psi over what hte setting was for..  It has been fixed and new flashes posted to the same old place.  

So if I don't use the defuel options it shoudn't affect anything then correct

yep,  

8 hours ago, Me78569 said:

found a bug in the boost defuel section effectively it would not boost defuel until 16 psi over what hte setting was for..  It has been fixed and new flashes posted to the same old place.  

Someday I'm going to convince you to do some work on the backdowns. The main one I'd like to see is EGT defueling smoother than just jumping levels. 

@Me78569 Two questions,

 

1) Pump stretch, what exactly is limiting us to 1200-2200 microseconds? Have you looked any into variable stretch?

 

2) When you're referring to the fueling tables what exactly are you referring to?  Is this stock fueling tables or something that you or quad/Spencer/whoever designed?  

 

My rough understanding is that the canbus percentage map is only for canbus fueling so ~65hp to be had there, but when it comes to the fueling tables and pump stretch I'm a bit confused after reading through a few things.  

@TFaoro............... Don't mind me just not doing anything.........

3 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

@Me78569 Two questions,

 

1) Pump stretch, what exactly is limiting us to 1200-2200 microseconds? Have you looked any into variable stretch?

 

2) When you're referring to the fueling tables what exactly are you referring to?  Is this stock fueling tables or something that you or quad/Spencer/whoever designed?  

 

My rough understanding is that the canbus percentage map is only for canbus fueling so ~65hp to be had there, but when it comes to the fueling tables and pump stretch I'm a bit confused after reading through a few things.  

1. The construction of the parts on the board.  That's why the 4k is physically different.  I have not sure there is a good way to do it beyond the map.  We could do a similar thing to canbus, but there would require another 20 some odd tuning variables, not gonna happen.   It is already variable based on the map, 0-100% ramp up based on values,   Keep in mind you can contorl a lot of the map right now with the boost settings and tps settings, and min wiretap settings.  

 

2. The Wiretap uses a fueling table to tell the quad how much of the wiretap micro sec to apply.  The main fueling tables we use are in the ecm however.   you would have to show me the post you are confused about. 

 

 

So rememeber that canbus fueling isn't 65 hp, it is roughly 300 hp or 3/4 of the total fueling we have.  Wiretap will add another ~2200 microseconds on top of what we have using canbus.  without the canbus fueling base wiretap is really not that much power.  

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 20178 yr by Me78569