Quadzilla Adrenaline V2 Testing

[Mopar1973Man]

8 hours ago, TFaoro said:

If I remember right the max it reads is 1,834*.

 

So why is the Quad designed for 2050*F??? Spencer needs to reconsider that idea...

[fuze24v]

On 11/21/2016 at 4:33 PM, Quadzilla Power said:

 

4. I've had this complaint for a while. Here's the deal with the gauges. All of these numbers are generated automatically but the "tick" marks are static, not dynamic. So the number that corresponds with a percentage of total top end will get displayed. You can do the math and figure out what this is. Having your EGTs above 1600 is a lot more common than you think. We don't like it, but I've heard of people pushing 1800+. With that said, it would make much more sense for the top to be 1800 and then you get increments of 300/tick. I will update the .json files with that when I get a chance. 

 

 

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I'm getting a little toasty on a 6 second pull,this is the highest boost and EGT I have ever hit yet.  but here is my issue now, all

my safety nets are down, and it's still wanting to back me down,  I'm waiting to get a laptop that has windows 10 on it so I can do the new flashing, but the backdown doesn't make sense to me, seems like 40% is a lot to me, maybe it's for good reason cause I don't have studs yet, but something funky is happening, 

Edited November 24, 2016 by fuze24v

[Me78569]

The truck needs to cycle power before the settings apply, I think.  Did you do this?  

[xxTJRocksxx]

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

The truck needs to cycle power before the settings apply, I think.  Did you do this?  

Look at the RPM's Too, I believe the back down% is high because he hit the quad rev limit for his tune, so it would pull all the fuel it can to regulate RPM right?

[fuze24v]

4 hours ago, Me78569 said:

The truck needs to cycle power before the settings apply, I think.  Did you do this?  

Are you meaning with the new v2 flash? I haven't had a chance to plug the quad in at all, the laptop that I have doesnt have 10 on it, got to buy a new one, I'm still running the old version. 

2 hours ago, xxTJRocksxx said:

Look at the RPM's Too, I believe the back down% is high because he hit the quad rev limit for his tune, so it would pull all the fuel it can to regulate RPM right?

That makes sense if that's it..... never thought about that

[Me78569]

You don't need windows 10 for the new tunes.    

[xxTJRocksxx]

2 hours ago, fuze24v said:

Are you meaning with the new v2 flash? I haven't had a chance to plug the quad in at all, the laptop that I have doesnt have 10 on it, got to buy a new one, I'm still running the old version. 

That makes sense if that's it..... never thought about that

Check your tune to see where the max rpm is set

[fuze24v]

5 hours ago, Me78569 said:

You don't need windows 10 for the new tunes.    

I must of got confused then, you sent me the windows 10 link ha, guess that's what I get for not reading everything  I'm going to try it this weekend then. 

3 hours ago, xxTJRocksxx said:

Check your tune to see where the max rpm is set

I'll have to re look at it, but I have also been battleing a timing issue with mine. Is does not like the timing at 8 and The stretch at 1800 I have to be at least 1950 or 2000 to have a good pull. If I drop my timing, I can go down on my fuel stretch 

[Me78569]

The page shows how to load it on 10 but the steps are similar for Windows 7 and 8.  If you have flashed a tune before it will work without troubles.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Me78569

[xxTJRocksxx]

Did some more logging today with interesting results. the tune I am running is my "norm 3 tune in the tunes file.

 

So I ran two logs, one at 68MPH, and the other at 72. both with cruise control on, and on the 68 MPH graph timing stayed almost always above 19*. at 72, I did see more timing, but it also dropped to 16* pretty often. The engine load was very similar, but a couple of observations:

 

-Increasing throttle % does not = Timing reduction, but decreasing throttle pulls timing consistently.

-Timing usually remained steady, as long as the Load%>Throttle%.

Speed was consistent and there was only 1psi more boost at 72 than 68.

 

I am wondering if my APPS could have a weak spot between 22-26% throttle, because the throttle curve was not steady at all at 72.

 

 

 

Norm 3 Tune 72 68 mph comparrison.xlsx

Iquad tunes 11.22.16.xlsx

[Me78569]

Lvl 0 or OEM tuning will show a huge dip in timing as TPS comes up.  You will watch timing drop to nearly 12* when TPS is at 25-30% while at cruise.

 

Above lvl 0 There is ALOT of code in the quad to set cruise state timing near what the user what's it at. Cruise timing addition is the variable you set in the custom tune.   Setting this at 3.5* will result in approx 20* at cruise.  The quad uses multiple maps to use based upon what situation you are in.

 

In order for the quad to see cruise state TPS and mph need to be semi stable between 45-80 mph when TPS is between 12-35% .  Too much TPS or mph movement will cause the quad to jump out of cruise state timing and revert back to normal timing.

 

 

Now when at cruise state the ECM timing still "pulls" on cruise state timing as a safety feature.  That is why you are seeing what you are in the logs.  

 

 

The reason why decreasing throttle = lower timing is because the quad jumps out of cruise timing state.

 

Timing cruise state doesn't rely on boost.

 

 

[xxTJRocksxx]

4 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Lvl 0 or OEM tuning will show a huge dip in timing as TPS comes up.  You will watch timing drop to nearly 12* when TPS is at 25-30% while at cruise.

 

Above lvl 0 There is ALOT of code in the quad to set cruise state timing near what the user what's it at. Cruise timing addition is the variable you set in the custom tune.   Setting this at 3.5* will result in approx 20* at cruise.  The quad uses multiple maps to use based upon what situation you are in.

 

In order for the quad to see cruise state TPS and mph need to be semi stable between 45-80 mph when TPS is between 12-35% .  Too much TPS or mph movement will cause the quad to jump out of cruise state timing and revert back to normal timing.

 

 

Now when at cruise state the ECM timing still "pulls" on cruise state timing as a safety feature.  That is why you are seeing what you are in the logs.  

 

 

The reason why decreasing throttle = lower timing is because the quad jumps out of cruise timing state.

 

Timing cruise state doesn't rely on boost.

 

 

@Me78569 That makes sense now, because the timing reduction seemed to follow the TPS. So I need to figure out why the TPS is so jumpy, and troubleshoot the surging cruise control.

[Me78569]

The more numb / lazy your tune is at cruise makes the cruise control work better.

 

 

Typically if you have bigger than stock injectors your cruise area of your tune should be below %100 in order to prevent cruise control from jumping.

 

 

Remember

 

under %100 means you have more resolution in the fueling range compared to stock.  If the ECM asks for a %5 bump in fueling to keep speed your message will be greater than %5 thus you get the jump.

 

Above %100 means you have less resolution in the fueling range compared to stock.

[Carbur8tr]

@xxTJRocksxx I'll shoot you a message soon for some thoughts on a potential master macro/data pull.  I think that between your graphs and my charts that we can make some fairly intuitive decisions based on the data.  Awesome numbers on the mileage, do you have any idea where the truck was at previously?

 

@Me78569 I know we talked briefly on the boost recently but just wanted to see if you had any more thoughts on the subject.  I think the common correlation seems to be that the colder weather is effecting the boost reading from the ECM? I'm sure you're just about done trying to wrestle with this one.

 

@Quadzilla Power So interesting note on the module itself, it will run directly off of the no. 9 fuse alone.  I was flashing the module the other night and discovered this on accident....  Not sure if this is normal but just thought you would find that interesting.

 

Is there a time-frame for all of these changes or is it just as it comes?

[Me78569]

Yea I am unsure on why some guys have idle PSI now all of the sudden I am guessing it is the colder temps, but I am not seeing the change on my truck.  

 

I am still mulling it over, but NOTHING changed in the code for calculation of Boost since a few weeks before the issue popped up.  I think it is an outside source causing it. 

 

Maybe alternator V being higher is causing a slight scew in Map output?  I dunno.

[Mopar1973Man]

15 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Maybe alternator V being higher is causing a slight scew in Map output?

 

No. Can't be that is a regulated 5V signal from the ECM. The only thing I can think off is crappy offset of the MAP sensor values or possibly a bad or weak ground lead on the MAP sensor. Which this is a internal floating ground of the ECM. The master ground (or real ground) of the ECM is the passenger side battery terminal.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2016 by Mopar1973Man

[Me78569]

So as an FYI from 0-16 psi the Quad is reading boost from the ECM, not VIA the sensor itself.  So what you are seeing at idle is what the ECM is seeing.   

 

There has to be some sort of outside change that caused the map values to be scewed offidle as there were no code changes between the idle people reporting perfect idle reading and then the boos tbeing scewed by a psi or 2.  

 

 

HOWEVER,

 

the strange reading at idle is actually a much smaller issue than the jumping we had before so I am not overly concerned about it at this point. 

 

 

So I dunno, 

 

 

Also as a side note,

 

I would HIGHLY recommend not stacking ANY tuner with the Quadzilla.  Doing so will lead to unpredictible results.

[Carbur8tr]

Completely agree with the above statement on the severity of the issue.  Doesn't seem to be an issue at all when it comes to how the tune is actually making the truck perform like it use to be.

 

So this now makes me super curious on how the edge was reading boost which I always assumed would be from the map sensor....   

 

Overall it's not something I'm too concerned about and when the IATs come up to around ~80-90 the issue seems to be non-existent. @Mopar1973Man have you noticed the same or does yours bounce around all the time in the colder weather regardless?  I'm sure your IATs are a bit lower than mine.

[Me78569]

6 minutes ago, Carbur8tr said:

So this now makes me super curious on how the edge was reading boost which I always assumed would be from the map sensor....   

 

 

Believe me I wish they would answer a lot of questions hahah.

 

 

I am sure I could write some code to make idle = 0 , but I don't like that.  I would rather show what the ecm is seeing for boost.

[Carbur8tr]

I agree and for the sake of functionality I don't think it would serve any viable purpose.  Aesthetics... maybe, but not worth it in my opinion.