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dobienut

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dobienut

So my steering has s*cked for a long time, and the other night I took it to a mechanic I feel is pretty good and knowledgeable. He checked my truck all over in the front to see what was making it wander so bad. Poped the tie rods off, checked balls joints for play and sticking, drivers side perfect, no sticking, pass side a bit up and down but no sticking. Trak bar, universal joints in the axles, tie rod, etc all good. I have the steering brace, etc. His conclusion (he drove it also), steering box was really tight feeling and a very very small bit of play in the shaft. Bearing up in the column had no play he said.. He could find nothing else wrong so he thinks put a box on it. So i'm goling to order the Borgenson and a shaft while i'm doing it. Now my question is, I am looking on the net where i'm going to order from and i'm a bit unclear... some say they are rebuilt boxes, some say brand new. Some say they have 14:1 ratio, Geno's garage claims his are 13:1 . Can someone give me the details on these boxes ? Are there two types that can be bought, are the brand new, rebuilt or what? Anyone have the full specs on them, piston size, shaft size, turns lock to lock etc? Appreciate any ino because I want to order one in the next couple of days. Thanks

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dripley

all i have heard is borgsen 3 1/2 turn lock to lock is the way to go. i looked it up somewhere a while back but did look very close to anything but the price. did not know there were that many options. i am interested in how it all turns out. sorry i was not much help

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CUMMINSDIESELPWR
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what issues are you having?

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Wild and Free

The borgeson box from Genos is a 3.5 turn box and is the best mod there is hands down on 2nd gen rams. http://www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BORG-800112 If you read the description it directly and clearly gives the specs and says its a 13:1 ratio 3.5 turn box. They are now the only 3.5 turn box that can be bought as new. Stock boxes are 16:1 ratio 4.5 turn.

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The borgeson box from Genos is a 3.5 turn box and is the best mod there is hands down on 2nd gen rams. http://www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BORG-800112 If you read the description it directly and clearly gives the specs and says its a 13:1 ratio 3.5 turn box. They are now the only 3.5 turn box that can be bought as new. Stock boxes are 16:1 ratio 4.5 turn.

i am in need of a new box myself, given this information does the new 13:1 ratio boxes steer easier than stock (power assist i mean)? I do alot of offroading and more leverage to turn wheels is needed, im not worrying about how many turns i do with the steering wheel. I read it more, and i think if i get a high output pump from PSC and a cooler i will be fine. Might do hydro assist down the road too if needed.

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dobienut

The borgeson box from Genos is a 3.5 turn box and is the best mod there is hands down on 2nd gen rams. http://www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BORG-800112 If you read the description it directly and clearly gives the specs and says its a 13:1 ratio 3.5 turn box. They are now the only 3.5 turn box that can be bought as new. Stock boxes are 16:1 ratio 4.5 turn.

Yes I was reading their info, but just a bit confused when I saw other sellers advertising the box saying it 14:1 ratio. That made me wonder is there two different boxes on the market or what ? Also, I think it was Borgenson site they say their boxes are brand new and other sites say rebuilt..wondering aout that too :whistle:

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dripley

i did not adjust mine when rebuilding the front end. but i am getting alittle wander on some roads and not on most others. instructions in the FSM?

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Wild and Free

After talking with my coworker who owns a steering gear repair company about the stock boxes he claims he can build them to be a 3.5 turn box. Not sure if he stocks any or if he would need yours to rebuild but maybe it would be worth a phone call. His name is Ryan Vigessa and here is a link to his site. He works shift work so a message may have to be left, he is a great guy. He may even be able to get the borgesson box cheaper than other places as well. http://www.bluetopsteeringgears.com/

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dobienut

Thanks for the replies. I decided just to go ahead and order the box and shaft all together. :thumbup2:

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JOHNFAK

After talking with my coworker who owns a steering gear repair company about the stock boxes he claims he can build them to be a 3.5 turn box. Not sure if he stocks any or if he would need yours to rebuild but maybe it would be worth a phone call. His name is Ryan Vigessa and here is a link to his site. He works shift work so a message may have to be left, he is a great guy. He may even be able to get the borgesson box cheaper than other places as well. http://www.bluetopsteeringgears.com/

I got a quote from this guy and it was VERY reasonable. Good to talk to as well. I never pulled the trigger as I was still deciding what to do - but that was a good price :thumbup2: Requires a core - but no biggie

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RJC2

I was wondering, (pardon the pun) does it steer better, really good, or like new? How many miles are on your truck? (trying to compare wear and tare)

--- Update to the previous post...

Mike, I am not sure what the sector adjustment you refered to is, but was wondering if it is that that adjustment on top of the steering box? (Lock nut and straight head screw)

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RJC2

Thanks, I have adjusted a few before, just didn't know the proper term for it. As far as over adjusting, I have learned from watching a friend overtighten one to be rather conservative with it.

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Wild and Free

New box and shaft is on....what a difference ! :thumbup2:

Which parts did you go with and Where did you get them from?

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AABEAR

Geno's has them also some steering box stabilizer Borgeson steering box also steering shafts You can get new or rebuild ons.

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dobienut

Which parts did you go with and Where did you get them from?

Got the Borgeson box and steering shaft. Got them from Peak Diesel Performance out of British Columbia Canada :thumbup2:

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CUMMINSDIESELPWR

Dobienut,is your rig easier to steer now (force put into the steering wheel)? are you running stock size tires or oversize?

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dobienut

Running 285's and yes, much easier to steer. I never realized how much strain the steering had on my arm and shoulder until now.Seems like I do have a bit of play in the steering wheel itself and not really sure how to cure that, but I can live with it. At least now I don't have to drive with the death grip on the steering wheel when I come into a corner. Are they better than a new stock box,,,idk, but i'm glad I bought them :thumbup2:

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CUMMINSDIESELPWR

could the slack have moved to part of the steering linkage? there are 6 points of slack to deal with. i know that when i upgraded to 1 ton steering linkage the slack moved to the trackbar and the steering box which of course are already worn..lol

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Wild and Free

Running 285's and yes, much easier to steer. I never realized how much strain the steering had on my arm and shoulder until now.Seems like I do have a bit of play in the steering wheel itself and not really sure how to cure that, but I can live with it. At least now I don't have to drive with the death grip on the steering wheel when I come into a corner. Are they better than a new stock box,,,idk, but i'm glad I bought them :thumbup2:

The best part is it is more responsive and less wandering and way less correction needed due to having a faster ratio going from 4.5 turn to a 3.3 turn lock to lock is the best mod ever.

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dobienut

Still find on the highway I do a bit of correcting , but nothing near what I had...thinking it's from the steering wheel play. At least when I come into a corner with my gooseneck on i'm not wondering where it's going to decide to dart to.:lol: As for the slack moving, my mechanic said he couldn't find anything to cause my problem other than the box and shaft, but that being said, it probably wouldn't take very much to see a fair amount of extra movement on the steering wheel i'm guessing. I'm kind of wondering if the column itself has some wear..needing the Rock Solid steering kit :shrug: Can't feel the movement they describe but maybe i'm just not catching it

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CUMMINSDIESELPWR

i had a friend hop in and gently move the steering wheel back and forth just enough to put pressure on things but not move the tire as i had my hand on each joint on the steering system to find the play. i actually found play in a couple that i couldnt visually see. with this play it gets amplified through the geometry/weight and strain plus it is cumulative. You could have 2 joints that have a Milimeter of play but that can equate to a bit of wander as both add up to something greater.upper and lower ball joints on the axle might be starting to wear causeing your play? Have you checked the unit bearings for play or wear?i have also heard rarely that the steering boxes will become loose on the frame itself. I forget if you are running a steering brace or not, if not your residual play could be from the frame flexing from the steering box force.

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