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It was painted before I got it, but I believe the paint is a single stage with a ton of flake...and poorly done, to be honest. It was done at one of the Earl Schwab (Scheib?) shops in Indianapolis, IN, and I'm pretty sure they barely took any time if that, to prep the surface before painting it. Looks good in pictures, though, just not up close!:lol:

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37s on 17s, I'm guessing? Tough looking truck.I'd avoid a winch on a standard single receiver mount - especially one that strong. On anything but a dead straight pull, the mount can and will tweak and twist (I've seen an 8k on a particularly flexible mount twist far enough to bind and jam solid before anything moved - had to get a second winch on to relieve pressure before it could even power out again) and a single 2" tube simply isn't strong enough for those forces. :2cents:

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37s on 17s, I'm guessing? Tough looking truck. I'd avoid a winch on a standard single receiver mount - especially one that strong. On anything but a dead straight pull, the mount can and will tweak and twist (I've seen an 8k on a particularly flexible mount twist far enough to bind a jam solid before anything moved - had to get a second winch on to relieve pressure before it could even power out again) and a single 2" tube simply isn't strong enough for those forces. :2cents:

After reading some of Billavista's recovery bible on Pirate, I have been very hesitant to put a winch on anything over 4000 lbs. The load required to pull a fully mired truck out can be huge, and well beyond even a huge 12,000 lb winch. Recovery hooks are good but I am not sure about a winch, and even then, I pull as gentle as possible when pulling on the hooks. Even the Army kinda got away from putting winches on the Deuces, even though those winches were MASSIVE. Not sure if that was cost or safety driven though.
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when you need one, you need one, though. you can't always strap to another vehicle (long runs, corners, deep ruts, lack of traction....). I use winches more often for moving dead things around - particularly loading them on my trailer - but I do have one on my (non-lightweight) wheeling rig and if I'm doing something dumb like a tough climb I can't make, it's much safer to hook a winch up to a tree than back down sometimes, and strapping could increase rollover potential due to lack of control.Muck and mire isn't the only use but thinking about the forces involved with stalling that 13.5k if you happen to bury the truck is something that must be considered. It's a really bad thing for a cable or hook to fail but it's worlds worse for a winch to go flying or to rip a whole bumper off.

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when you need one, you need one, though. you can't always strap to another vehicle (long runs, corners, deep ruts, lack of traction....). I use winches more often for moving dead things around - particularly loading them on my trailer - but I do have one on my (non-lightweight) wheeling rig and if I'm doing something dumb like a tough climb I can't make, it's much safer to hook a winch up to a tree than back down sometimes, and strapping could increase rollover potential due to lack of control. Muck and mire isn't the only use but thinking about the forces involved with stalling that 13.5k if you happen to bury the truck is something that must be considered. It's a really bad thing for a cable or hook to fail but it's worlds worse for a winch to go flying or to rip a whole bumper off.

And this, is why I go wheeling with my father in law, and not in the Cummins. :ashamed:post-11098-138698198194_thumb.jpg
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