Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

Tuning actually becomes ALOT easier when you get bigger injectors.  You can use level 1 and valet mode power to find your starting point for the tune, then build the rest of your tune based on that.  

 

 

 

Actually I just changed my performance tune again and going for a test drive... Be back...

 

I'm Back...

 

Changed my Performance tune from an exponential growth of 1.5% to 1.7% which is just a bit steeper curve now. I'll update my thread.

Edited February 24, 20178 yr by Mopar1973Man

You know what would be really awesome....in the iQuad app.... Boost Level Fueling CAN Bus:

 

Enter the growth %parameter (would be an added parameter setting within Boost Level Fueling CAN Bus,  and then enter your first # and let the app fill in the rest. 

 

Also just realized I can enter decimals values into CAN Bus parameters! Would it even behoove me to go this far? Would it make the power curve smoother? 

Edited February 25, 20178 yr by crf450ish

UPDATE! ATTENTION EVERYONE!

 

With the permission of Quadzilla Power we are now hosting mirror copies of flashes and apps for mobile devices. Everytime there is an update to the files here there will be a new thread started in Quadzilla forum and you can get support for the files there now. 

 

The download area.

https://mopar1973man.com/files/category/9-quadzilla-tunes/

 

Support forum area.

https://mopar1973man.com/forum/174-quadzilla-power/

 

So when @Me78569 or @Quadzilla Power makes another update there should be a new forum thread. So everyone will know what changed and now easy to find the files on the site. You'll notice there is a local copy here on Mopar1973Man.Com then there is a mirror copy QuadzillaTech.Com. 

Edited February 25, 20178 yr by Mopar1973Man

but right now I just update my google drive folder lol....   

 

 

good thing I am not updating stuff anymore....at least public stuff

 

 

18 minutes ago, crf450ish said:

You know what would be really awesome....in the iQuad app.... Boost Level Fueling CAN Bus:

 

Enter the growth %parameter (would be an added parameter setting within Boost Level Fueling CAN Bus,  and then enter your first # and let the app fill in the rest. 

 

Also just realized I can enter decimals values into CAN Bus parameters! Would it even behoove me to go this far? Would it make the power curve smoother? 

that's a pretty neat idea, but don't limit your tunes to a rampup fueling only.

 

MY tow tune ramps up quickly off the bat then tapers off to slow growth by10psi. 

 

You can do decimals, no point really.  I guess you couldn't but I doubt you would feel the difference.  Really if you wanted to max fueling up top you would only need to reach %112 to hit 4095 at WOT higher revs.

With the exponential growth, you can do custom curves. Say like @Me78569 his tow tune you could do 3.4% growth rate to hit max at 10 PSI at 139%. Then taper off the rest of the curve say a mild 1.2% from that point out. This is why I didn't make the calculator part of the spreadsheet because I wanted to play or chop up the curve more you can. So that's why the calculator is separated.

Edited February 25, 20178 yr by Mopar1973Man

I don't understand where the timing #s are coming from. I thought there was a solid list and descriptions of what every tuning parameter does in conjunction with another and the end result (roughly). For example, I have no clue what TPS Pump Minimum means...does it mean if its at 30%, the throttle acts like 30% of pedal is being applied right off idle? Modified APPS signal? Kinda like Smarty & Edge stacked?

 

Other things I don't understand:

 

1. Max load timing offset.

2. Pump low boost scale PSI- I sort of get this...does this mean when the wiretap power starts?

3. The whole timing thing. Ok, when I read that someone is running 3* of cruise timing...what is the end result?

4. Min pump tap fuel percentage.

5. Timing reduct scaling

 

If I know how to properly tune these parameters in conjunction with everything else, I'll be doing better. I am not getting injectors until I can use my right hand entirely....can't replace injectors with one functioning hand.  

Edited February 25, 20178 yr by crf450ish

As with everything we want to save and document it is stored in the articles section.  Even a tuning video.

 

 

 

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1. Max load timing offset.

2. Pump low boost scale PSI- I sort of get this...does this mean when the wiretap power starts?

3. The whole timing thing. Ok, when I read that someone is running 3* of cruise timing...what is the end result?

4. Min pump tap fuel percentage.

5. Timing reduct scaling

 

1.Max Loda Timing Offset is how much timing of your base timing curve is related to load.  If you set this to 1* then load will ditctate 1* of the total timing up to your canbus limit.

 

2.  thats the lowest limit that wiretap will apply

 

3. Cruise timing is base 17* so if you set this to 1* then your Quad will try and hit 18* total timing at cruise at 2400 rpm.  There is a 3* span of cruise timng between 1400 and 2400 rpm so if cruise timing is set to 1* then at 1400 rpm you would get 15* of timing at cruise. 16* at 1700 17* at 2000 and 18* at 2400 rpm.

 

4. Using TPS from 0-100% this set the minimum amount of wiretap to use.  So if you have this set at %25 and go to %100 tps then you will get no less than 25% of the wiretap fuel stretch. if you go to %50 tps then you iwll get %50 of that %25.  Pretty much allows you to set a min amount of Wiretap at WOT.  Race tune type stuff.

 

5.  Set how fast timing reduction gets pulled, but allows for a limit.  If timing reduct is at 3* and reduct scaling is %75 then you will get a max of 2.25* of timing pulled at high throttle low boost, but it will increase down low faster than just setting your timing reduct to 2.25*

Edited February 25, 20178 yr by Me78569

Good lord.....I didn't even think to check the articles...

 

 

@Me78569 thank you  AGAIN! lol

no worries I try to document well.

I'm printing that article out and taking it with me in truck everywhere I go. ha

if something isn't explained well let me know.  

11 hours ago, Me78569 said:

if something isn't explained well let me know.  

It would be nice to match word for word what is on the phone to article instructions, for most part they are but few are slightly different and could be confusing especially for a new guy.

@Me78569 just noticed maybe a small misprint "~%50 of load timing ( 1.5*) which would put your current timing at 18.5* ( 19* max - 1.5* = 18.5*). " should it be 17.5?

Edited February 25, 20178 yr by Dieselfuture

Good catch

I have to be careful now....I can see myself going thru a whole lot fuel testing and dialing this bad boy in. 

27 minutes ago, crf450ish said:

I have to be careful now....I can see myself going thru a whole lot fuel testing and dialing this bad boy in. 

I'm already do that. Wait till I post my monthly report of fuel and expense. Ugh!!

10 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I'm already do that. Wait till I post my monthly report of fuel and expense. Ugh!!

Yeah but from what it looks like...those are part of your medical expenses, therefore tax write off!  

Someone want to have fun... Here start digging through my data log from Boise, ID to Midvale, ID.

 

Couple of things I'm going to bring up with @Quadzilla Power is...

1. The data logs don't need multiple rows of the same timestamp just waste space in storage.

2. The files need to stored on the accessible memory of the device so you don't need to upload to download them again as well as hunting for WiFi or cell signal just so you can get the logs. It would be MUCH easier to just plug in my USB cable and download on my laptop in the front seat of my truck and be able to preview. Right now I might have to drive to a local city or home for WiFi or cell service to get Google drive to upload so I can now fire up WiFi hotspot on my cellphone to download again. Rather pain in the rear...

 

iQuad-2017-02-25-04.47.21-739196234.csv

Mike install a folder app on your phone.  I can just hit export and select folder FX and it will save it to my home directory.

 

The issue is that you don't have a native app on the device to save the file.

I should have to install any apps to make up for shortcomings of an app. Like OBDLink telling me I need a tasker app to make the OBDLink App to auto connect to the Bluetooth every time I start the truck. Oh, Wait... Quadzilla does that without the tasker app. So why do I need to have folder app to just save log files to the memory of the phone? Oh, Wait... Google Docs or MS Word does that right now without exporting files to a folder App. So again this is a shortcoming of the app that needs to be considered and possibly corrected. Not everyone has instant access to WiFi, cell service or internet to transfer files to a cloud and back to computer nor should we have to load a bunch of extra apps to make up for short comings of the main app.

 

Yes, I'll load up the folder explorer app just to band-aid it for now... 

Edited February 26, 20178 yr by Mopar1973Man