Hi everyone I'm trying to sort out an fueling issue that is making me too scared to drive . 

 

I put a nice fresh engine in my "00 and I'm getting a pile of white smoke at idle and 1/4 throttle. It also sounds as if I have air in the injector lines at idle. 

 

The vp44 is one off my old engine with a p0216 code so I'm wondering if it's an injector that is damaged or if the vp is having problems fueling 150hp sticks?

 

I'm new to the Moparman site but I'm very impressed by this community thanks for the info and your time!

 

yes they do have a Bosch 815 stand. It looks like its already on the list

 

Edited August 22, 20177 yr by Me78569

Stuck in mobile world for now... Thanks.

On 8/21/2017 at 5:44 PM, 01cummins4ever said:

@Bluelinecody It's been s few years since I delt with them but central motive power in Denver is who I went through for my vp replacement, It's a walk in facility and they seem to be a full scale bosch repair shop.

That is great info I'm only an hour from Denver so that's handy thanks a bunch 

Thanks guys I'm quickly finding out what a pain in the a$$ thoroughbred diesel is trying to get the pump warranty worked. If they test it and it comes up ok I get charged $150 I'm paying shipping both ways regardless. I'm pissed. If the pump is bad I will be asking for a refund and finding a new supplier 

Takes 3 hours to bench test a VP44 pump from start to end on a Bosch 815 test stand. This why the 150 labor rate for bench testing.

On 8/21/2017 at 5:59 AM, Bluelinecody said:

 

Everyone seems really tight lipped about where they buy parts lol thoroughbred has a good core policy and have a 2 year warranty. 

 

I think schied has their own bench but I haven't confirmed that

 

Ive been using DAP or Vulcan Performance. Both supply Industrial Injection or Midwest Injection (DAP).

On 8/21/2017 at 10:38 AM, jlbayes said:

 

I'm not being a smartass but did you read the thread?

@jibayes yes I did and you can see where @Bluelinecody asked how to diagnose a pump without codes. it will also tell you what to look for to diagnose an ECM issue. As far as ordering parts I use Midwest Diesel Injection they have a factory authorized repair center in network and have never let me or a customer down, From VE to VP pumps and every injector in between they are my go to guys.

 

I read through the bluechip guide last night. There is a wealth of information there. 

 

Last night I put a set of injectors in to rule out injectors as an issue. 

 

Then I jacked up a pushrod on my test drive. Pics later 

 

some day I will learn how to leave well enough alone and not mess with what cummins brought to us

3 hours ago, Bluelinecody said:

some day I will learn how to leave well enough alone and not mess with what cummins brought to us

 

Mmmm only after hours of frustration and doing things multiple times and some wasted money

3 hours ago, Bluelinecody said:

Then I jacked up a pushrod on my test drive. Pics later

 

I have to ask how in the neck did you mess up a pushed?  There is no reason to mess with the valve train to install injectors.

37 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

 

I have to ask how in the neck did you mess up a pushed?  There is no reason to mess with the valve train to install injectors.

 

 

Thats right. I never touched a valvetrain part either. I have no idea why, how, or what happend 

If it dropped a valve seat, bent the valve and bent the pushrod......WHITE smoke. Just sayin.

5 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

If it dropped a valve seat, bent the valve and bent the pushrod......WHITE smoke. Just sayin.

Valve is still there all the retainers are there spring is in good condition 

 

 

here is the carnage so far

 

the rocker is seized on the silver roller thing (whatever the technical term is) no sign of the missing piece of the pushrod yet

 

i stuck a magnet down the pushrod hole and the tappet goes up and down freely so that's good news I guess

So the rocker seized breaking the cup off the push rod?  Not something I've seen before.  The missing piece is probably on top of the head buried under oil.  Or hopefully made it to the pan and not hanging around the cam.  I would think it left the pushrod with some energy so hopefully it is on top of the head.

21 minutes ago, Shainer said:

So the rocker seized breaking the cup off the push rod?  Not something I've seen before.  The missing piece is probably on top of the head buried under oil.  Or hopefully made it to the pan and not hanging around the cam.  I would think it left the pushrod with some energy so hopefully it is on top of the head.

When I have some time in the next few days I'm going to run a magnet and finger over everything to be sure. 

 

Even more strange is that the valve bridge was still perfectly placed on top of the valves 

 

during my test drive I went 1/2 mile round trip and never got over 27k rpm some times weird stuff happens I guess lol

So it locked the trunnion? I would highly recommend checking all the rest. There are known issues with them galing. 

31 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

So it locked the trunnion? I would highly recommend checking all the rest. There are known issues with them galing. 

 

I'd be concerned about the valve being bent too. Being the piston had to of hit the valve at the point it was stuck open. 

57 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

So it locked the trunnion? I would highly recommend checking all the rest. There are known issues with them galing. 

No kidding?  I was not aware of that, and now that I'm searching around I do see more incidents..

 

25 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

 

I'd be concerned about the valve being bent too. Being the piston had to of hit the valve at the point it was stuck open. 

I thought about that as well.  Was going to make the recommendation to verify valve operation.  I"m not sure valve contact had to occur though since the valve may have been closed and the trunnion stopped all valve movement (it's the optimist in me).

What would it show in oil analysis like? Iron or something else. May not hurt to do oil analysis once in awhile. Man all this hype about cummins and more you into it the more you find. I guess other diesels are not much better and harder to work on. 

Just did my valve guides at 150k and didn't even look at rockers that hard just put them back on. Now thinking about looking at them. When I had the head off and was cleaning the block, I was thinking should I crank motor over till oil comes out of holes just incase some crap went down oil holes. Guessing if there is anything in there it will not flush out through rocker and will reduce oil flow and cause more wear. So idling truck for more then few minutes is not good at what rpm is oil pressure sufficient to keep things lubed up. 

Edited August 25, 20177 yr by Dieselfuture

4 hours ago, Shainer said:

No kidding?  I was not aware of that, and now that I'm searching around I do see more incidents..

 

I see it more in the sled pulling and racing world when trying to turn some rpm with them.