Head gasket leaking oil

[CTcummins24V]

http://www.gillettdiesel.com/turbochargerspartsandupgrades-4.aspx

 

You're better off buying a new turbo or finding a craigslist special, from an overall cost stand point. But it can be fun to try different parts.  

[Dieselfuture]

2 hours ago, CTcummins24V said:

http://www.gillettdiesel.com/turbochargerspartsandupgrades-4.aspx

 

You're better off buying a new turbo or finding a craigslist special, from an overall cost stand point. But it can be fun to try different parts.  

Thanks for giving me that link, I called them up and they have everything I need to make it work but like you guys already said I might be money ahead finding one on Craigslist. The only problem is time, when will I ever find what I'm looking for. I will marinate that one for few days. 

So of course I have few questions about turbo again. They recommended ch11 intake housing that comes with 62 inducer 86 exducer and th03 exhaust housing non wastegated 14cm it's listed as(long) and same length as what I got to be able use the exhaust brake. Instead of bolting on back plate with 5 holes it has a 3" flange machined on it so I can just use ss clamp. Waste gate is not a huge deal to me as mine hasn't worked in years and now that Nick got the quad to defuel good I'll just use that at 35psi. 

What does the second number mean when people say I have a 63/68/12

Edited July 7, 2017 by Dieselfuture

[Mopar1973Man]

35 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

What does the second number mean when people say I have a 63/68/12

 

The first number is the size of the compressor wheel in mm.

 

The second number is the size of the turbine wheel in mm

 

The third number is the size of the exhaust housing in cm ² .

[Dieselfuture]

Does anyone know if wh1c has same bearing housing as hx35 or is anything same on them like exhaust turbine with shaft, I see that is a band clamp and not a snap ring so it may be different all together,  trying to find bits and pieces to get something working.  I could buy compressor housing with a new wheel and turbine housing that will except my exhaust brake, not sure if my bearing housing will be usable I found one on ebay and guy says he can machine it for whatever, I just don't know what that is yet. He says he can put a grove in it to except an oring do I need that, and he can machine it to fit different size compressor wheels. http://m.ebay.com/itm/Holset-HX40-HX35-Bearing-Housing/111587767332?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

This is what  looking at on Craigslist https://quadcities.craigslist.org/pts/6192153437.html

It looks like it's same but different, not sure if I can use any parts of it

Edited July 8, 2017 by Dieselfuture

[CTcummins24V]

1 hour ago, Dieselfuture said:

Does anyone know if wh1c has same bearing housing as hx35 or is anything same on them like exhaust turbine with shaft, I see that is a band clamp and not a snap ring so it may be different all together,  trying to find bits and pieces to get something working.  I could buy compressor housing with a new wheel and turbine housing that will except my exhaust brake, not sure if my bearing housing will be usable I found one on ebay and guy says he can machine it for whatever, I just don't know what that is yet. He says he can put a grove in it to except an oring do I need that, and he can machine it to fit different size compressor wheels. http://m.ebay.com/itm/Holset-HX40-HX35-Bearing-Housing/111587767332?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

This is what  looking at on Craigslist https://quadcities.craigslist.org/pts/6192153437.html

It looks like it's same but different, not sure if I can use any parts of it

 

That's what I was running at one point. Same exhaust/turbine housing, except wastegate mounting, same exhaust wheel size as HX35. Compressor/intake wheel is a 56mm, I want to say HX35 is a 54mm.  

[Dieselfuture]

22 minutes ago, CTcummins24V said:

 

That's what I was running at one point. Same exhaust/turbine housing, except wastegate mounting, same exhaust wheel size as HX35. Compressor/intake wheel is a 56mm, I want to say HX35 is a 54mm.  

So is it bigger than hx35 then? And exhaust wheel same or same dimensions but not interchangeable. My brain is starting to hurt.

[Mopar1973Man]

Yeah... The HX35W is a 54/60/12 my current HX35/40 hybrid is 60/60/12.

[Dieselfuture]

16 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Yeah... The HX35W is a 54/60/12 my current HX35/40 hybrid is 60/60/12.

Thanks for refreshing my memory on difference, I was trying to serch your old post where you guys were talking about all them sizes. 

 

So I got few options, 1. leave this turbo alone till I get more parts or find one I need. 2. buy compressor housing with the wheel and try to use my turbo for the rest. 3. BORG WARNER K27 just found out as an option, sounds like exhaust brake can still be used with band clamp. 

Just wiggled the shaft in mine and it is getting a bit lose, but will probably last a while longer. 

Is the drive pressure reduced with the hybrid, I'm guessing yes as it still runs same psi range but more volume.

[trreed]

Was the play side to side or in and out?  A bit of side to side play is acceptable, but in/out play means rebuild or replace.  As for the drive pressure question, since it's the same turbine and housing as the HX35, the drive pressure would remain the same.  It might even go up a touch due to a heavier compressor wheel in the hybrid.

[Dieselfuture]

No in and out but side to side is about 10-12 thousands if I had to guess. And on the exhaust housing I'm thinking about getting one with no waste gate that is 14cm, not sure how laggy it will be but should keep egts down. Trying to decide 60 or 62, 12 or 14, and I think I found a turbine that is bigger and supposed to fit in that housing. http://m.ebay.com/itm/111577452460 but it's 10 blade instead of 12. Slower spool maybe but much bigger, not sure if it fits in housing. 

@Silverdodge do you remember exactly what went in your turbo and where you got parts from, or you send it out someplace. 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Dieselfuture

[Dieselfuture]

Almost got the head off hopefully I get enough time to do it today. Got everything off but rocker arms and push rods. Looking at the studs they are all flush with the nuts, after some research I'm starting to belive they are A1 H11 will know more when I pull them out

Question,

1 how important is it to take rockers off with valves closed so there is no tention on them. Should I go through firing order to take em off or just take em off. I've just taking rockers off on other motors before. When putting them on I usually go through firing order.

2 some of retantion bands/clips that hold exhaust bolts from backing up were pretty rusty and broke, do you even put them back on or is it for extreme heat cycles application, when working the motor hard. Also I'm developing a tiny crack in manifold,   how long do I got till its junk.

 

Taking rockers off and noticed the bridge that connects 2 valves has a small bump on one side, does it matter which way they face, they all seem to be random.

And here is a stud that was leaking, came out with nut guessing RTV held the nut on. I think it was silver at one time and got discolored. 

 

Here is an injector 60hp from dap after about 15k, not sure if normal. I think that's what they look like when used.

Here is a stud from inside, looks much better 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Dieselfuture

[trreed]

1) Taking the rockers off with valves open doesn't matter, but putting them on with no spring tension is important to get a correct torque in them.

2) Retention bands aren't really important to put back on.  As for the cracking manifold, I'd look for another one now to prevent having to pull the turbo off again in the near future.

3) The bumps on the bridges really doesn't matter which direction they face, I put all of mine with the bumps facing outwards.

4) Those are definitely A1 H11 studs, the taper at the end is their characteristic tell-tale.  Not sure of the torque specs on those.

5) That is a lot of carbon buildup on those injectors.  Like holy crap. Do you use any fuel additive? @TFaoro  isn't that what yours looked like too?

[Dieselfuture]

@trreed nothing but super tech 2 cycle, I did use some injector cleaner once just because, but it's been at least 10k ago. 

[Dieselfuture]

Finally got the head off, gasket was going to go in few places. 

Can I change tapped cover gasket, or does vp have to come out.

Also I'm not sure why people make a big deal if you take back bolts out for injector hold downs, it looks like they just bottom out anyway.

Had 3 cylinders that look like valves were wet inside looking through exhaust port.

Front and back cylinders were a lot cleaner then the others not sure why yet, still thinking.

Can someoneidentify pistons, are these stock. Numbers are 6051  02  L37

[Mopar1973Man]

48 minutes ago, Dieselfuture said:

Can I change tapped cover gasket, or does vp have to come out.

 

VP44 has to come out... There is one bolt right behind it and insane to attempt to change with the VP44 in place.

 

[Dieselfuture]

Needing some advice on my turbo, I want to get compressor housing with wheel but few options here. This one is 62x86, supposed to be largest available for hx35. Listed as cH11 . http://www.gillettdiesel.com/HXUpgradeCompressorHousingandWheel60mm6blade-1-1.aspx

There are other ones but thinking to go with ch11. Then machine my bearing housing for larger wheel. And hopefully be able to reuse my exhaust housing with turbine wheel. If not i can get this 12cm long, should bolt up to my exhaust brake. They have 14cm too. 

http://www.gillettdiesel.com/12cmnon-wastegatedturbinehousing-3.aspx

And there is this wheel on ebay it's 10 blade vs 12 what are the thoughts on it.  http://m.ebay.com/itm/111577452460

I'm guessing I need to stay with 12cm exhaust housing. 

Another thing is this bearing section also from eBay  http://m.ebay.com/itm/Holset-HX40-HX35-Bearing-Housing-/111587767332?nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE

My guess is from China maybe,  but it says he can machine it for whatever and put a oring grove if needed, do I need an oring grove. For $55 new bearing carier machined to larger wheel seems like a good deal.     @Mopar1973Man

@jlbayes @TFaoro @trreed

Thanks guys. 

 

[Mopar1973Man]

Hard to suggest turbo sizes without seeing the injector size. Going too big on the turbo will produce more lag. Might make EGT's cooler but lag will be greater. Being I'm running stock injectors against a 60/60/12 HX35/40 hybrid I can say it very laggy.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Mopar1973Man

[TFaoro]

1 minute ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Hard to suggest turbo sizes without seeing the injector size. Going too big on the turbo will produce more lag. Might make EGT's cooler but lag will be greater. Being I'm running stock injectors against a 60/60/12 HX35/40 hybrid I can say it very laggy.

60hp is what he has in it.

 

The spray pattern looks concerning, unless you wiped some pistons and didn't wipe some.

 

I would stay away from ebay for turbo parts unless it's a reputable company selling on ebay. Are you going with more power? Bigger injectors? Currently having excessive heat issues?

17 hours ago, trreed said:

5) That is a lot of carbon buildup on those injectors.  Like holy crap. Do you use any fuel additive? @TFaoro  isn't that what yours looked like too?

Mine were much worse, but they're still working for now.

[Mopar1973Man]

3 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

60hp is what he has in it.

 

Stock turbo is fine for +60 HP injectors. 62/68/12 wouldn't be bad upgrade if he's running a Quadzilla Adrenaline tuner with his +60 HP injectors.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Mopar1973Man

[trreed]

4 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

Needing some advice on my turbo, I want to get compressor housing with wheel but few options here. This one is 62x86, supposed to be largest available for hx35. Listed as cH11 . http://www.gillettdiesel.com/HXUpgradeCompressorHousingandWheel60mm6blade-1-1.aspx

So, this compressor housing does not have a mounting provision for the wastegate actuator.  This one: http://www.gillettdiesel.com/gds-ch-12.aspx does allow for stock mounting of the wastegate.

4 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

hopefully be able to reuse my exhaust housing with turbine wheel. If not i can get this 12cm long, should bolt up to my exhaust brake. They have 14cm too. 

http://www.gillettdiesel.com/12cmnon-wastegatedturbinehousing-3.aspx

For your current setup, a 12cm housing is the best bet, unless you're planning on some crazy injector upgrades.  A wastegate is also usually a good idea.

4 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

And there is this wheel on ebay it's 10 blade vs 12 what are the thoughts on it.  http://m.ebay.com/itm/111577452460

10 blade turbines are usually good for exhaust whistle. (at least they are in 6.blow world).  But as @TFaoro says, be wary of ebay specials.  Keep in mind you'd have to machine out the exhaust housing to fit a 67 mm exducer, which is pushing the limit of the wall thickness of the housing.  Ask Taterbuilt about that! 

4 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

Another thing is this bearing section also from eBay  http://m.ebay.com/itm/Holset-HX40-HX35-Bearing-Housing-/111587767332?nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE

My guess is from China maybe,  but it says he can machine it for whatever and put a oring grove if needed, do I need an oring grove. For $55 new bearing carier machined to larger wheel seems like a good deal.    

I think your hunch on this being a Chinese part is a good one.  I personally wouldn't do it.

 

By my math on all the above listed things, you'd be sitting at about $760.  What I would do is go find a used Borg Warner S362 for around the same price and not look back.  But, you wouldn't be able to use your exhaust brake with a 4" outlet.

 

@TFaoro, glad you mentioned the spray pattern.  I was wondering if it was a SAC vs. VCO difference, since SAC injectors have the orifices higher up on the nozzle than VCO's do.

Edited July 10, 2017 by trreed