freezing fuel filter

[JAG1]

10 hours ago, Mad Bomber said:

The TCW 3 is only for the 2nd Gen trucks not for the common rail starting 2003

He posted in the 2nd gen 24 valve forum boss. 

 

3 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Biodiesel tend to separate the bio part and sink to the bottom. Kind of like cold bacon grease. As far as I know there isn't any product that can deal with solid biodiesel.

With all Mopar man doctors lately...... Mike has solid 'Bile Diesel' 

Edited March 1, 2019 by JAG1

[01cummins4ever]

9 hours ago, madsen said:

I use Total Power anti gel as it was recommended by the local Cummins dealer.

Temperatures have been low of -14 at the coldest .Truck has not had issues in the past at -25 using the same fuel station and no antigel.

Temperature on Saturday night is projected to be -20 !

THe truck does not struggle to start at those temperatures just refuses to keep running !

John

You have temperatures similar to what I see, and I have had similar situations, Are you sure your factory fuel filter is not the source of gelling? That would be the most likely being the factory filter is around an 8 to 10 micron, Does it have the factory fuel heater on the canister? and have you verified it’s working. My factory fuel heater quit on me this winter and at those temps I have had to resort to heating the filter with a propane torch in a pinch to keep it running, until I can get some engine heat going.

 

I used to have a frame mounted raptor and it came with that pre filter screen but ended up not installing the pre filter screen, raptor worked for several years until it crapped out, and I went with a mechanical fuel pump and it has a 24 micron pre pump strainer and even that has not had any affect on fuel flow in cold temps.

[Tractorman]

3 hours ago, madsen said:

Wix 33007 filter 

Its intended to catch large chunks that do harm to the pump.

 

I have a similar setup, but I am using a FASS frame mounted lift pump with a Napa 3270 screen on the inlet side.  This fuel screen is 140 micron rated, significantly more coarse than your Wix 33007 50 micron filter.  Your filter would be very easy to replace with the Napa 3270 screen and it just might fix your problem.

 

- John

[madsen]

I have not used or bought bio diesel.

I have not verified that my factory fuel heater is working, How do I do that, by checking for 12 volts or heat on the filter ?

Thanks for continuing to respond to my thread,

JOHN

 

[AH64ID]

3 hours ago, Mad Bomber said:

50 microns is big my filter is a 3 micron on my fuel

 

It's a pre-filter for a pump, aka rock catcher. 50µ is even smaller than some pre-filter pumps. 

 

This is not his only filter. 

42 minutes ago, madsen said:

I have not used or bought bio diesel.

I have not verified that my factory fuel heater is working, How do I do that, by checking for 12 volts or heat on the filter ?

Thanks for continuing to respond to my thread,

JOHN

 

 

Some stations sell it and don't advertise it very well. It might just be worth a question, or another fuel station just to rule that out. 

 

An IR gun is how I check mine. 

 

Thou generally the first place you gel is the first unheated filter, which would be the inlet screen. While 50µ is huge for filtering, it's not huge for gelled fuel. 

[NIsaacs]

9 hours ago, Mad Bomber said:

50 microns is big my filter is a 3 micron on my fuel

 

It might seem big but the overall size of the filter is small, so not much surface area. It is also on the suction side of the lift pump, not much vacuum produced v/s pressure.

[madsen]

So I changed the big filter and it was quite dirty. I attempted to change the small screen filter.I put in the larger 140 screen filter but try as I might could not get it to fit between the frame and the starter. I was working outside in 10 degree temperatures and the factory plastic fuel line would not bend enough to get it away from the starter. So I cleaned the old plastic filter with brake cleaner fluid and air.

It clearly was at least partially plugged with what I assume was wax. It was a white substance. Truck started right up after I primed it a few times.

I have figured out a short term solution for the small filter.Going to use the Mercedes pre filters you see on the Mercedes diesel cars from the 80s. My large filter was black in color and the filter bowl had a small amount of metal shavings in the bottom. That is concerning.

After doing all of that I took it out for a long drive to see if it was leaking fuel. It was fine no leaks. I did something and broke my 4 wheel drive . This morning its 18 below and I have no garage. Going to wait till monday and hope for an easy fix of replacing the little vacuum box on the axle

John

Edited March 3, 2019 by JAG1

[JAG1]

Way I understand it is a water separating larger micron filter before the lift pump is best since bio and all diesel has all the developing algea and gunk in with the water particles/ portions of the fuel. The larger micron water separating filter before the lift pump will also allow for more stable fuel pressure by not creating excess vacuum that can conflict with the pressure side. You also don't want the lift pump to act as a blender mixing in water and other garbage in the fuel. This allows the secondary factory filter to do a better job, not become overwhelmed and allowing it to filter the smaller junk before getting thru. 

 

I use a 30 micron water separating filter before the lift pump and is designed for the suction side together with the factory filter like most others do.

Edited March 3, 2019 by JAG1