Automakers to gearheads: Stop repairing cars

[JAG1]

So your saying  someday our cart/trucks will get a yearly inspection but no registration renewal if the vehicles where worked on by someone other than the certified mechanical shop or Dealership? That there will be some sort of way they can tell the work was done by others at the yearly inspection. Something like a special proprietary paint applied to the nuts and bolts that shows tool marks, something like that.

   

Scary proposal because there is nothing like the freedom and satisfaction of repairing your own vehicle on a Saturday. It's American as Apple Pie.

[IBMobile]

Someday they will outlaw driving in the name of "public safety".  the sad part is a a large amount of people will demand it.

 

It won't be for"public safety", driving will be limited to a few for Carbon Reduction and Sustainability.

[CSM]

Factory Five daily driver kit car anyone?

[Mopar1973Man]

Here I am studying how to hack CAN bus and read the data the computers have in our trucks. Trust me there is a big business in behind keeping this hidden. More I keep learning the more it shocks me. Like if you learn how to analyze CAN bus messages you can start dipping in and taking control of different functions from engine, transmission or even as simple as stereo. I was reading a article about getting deeper and if done right you can change anything right down to the odometer if you wished. But the trick with that is there is a key that is based on a seed number the ECM / PCM produces and you would have to calculate against the seed with algorithm to get the key.  Then the article went into detail on how to brute force the lock. Wow!!!

 

Right now I'm just wanting to get the other data inside the computers like Transmission temperature, Fuel temperature and maybe injection timing if possible. I've been reading articles about CAN bus reading and what not and it just seems like the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper and deeper.

 

Sorry Dodge, Chrysler, EPA, and other agencies... I paid $35,000 to buy my truck and I've now owned it for 13 years if I desire to reverse engineer, read the CAN bus or modify my truck. I'll do it.

[Me78569]

You reading all the can stuff through the obd and the tablet?

[IBMobile]

There was a short report about this on the morning news. The report was car manufacturers don't want others working on the electrical systems and 12 auto manufacturers are lobbying Congress about it.

[Mopar1973Man]

You reading all the can stuff through the obd and the tablet?

 

Yes. Take notice to the CAN Bus pins in the OBDII socket. (6 & 14) ISO 9141-2 protocol. (7) Then CCD Network. (3 & 11).

 

[Wild and Free]

And the plot thickens!!!!!!!!         

Click link below for a jaw dropping news article.

 

http://consumerist.com/2015/05/20/gm-that-car-you-bought-were-really-the-ones-who-own-it/

[Killer223]

Thats why i now use Linux not Microsoft. and I've never ever paid for Microsoft software, only hardware.

 

Apple tried the same thing telling people it was against copyright to jail break the iOS. when push came to shove, after we purchased the devise it is OURS to do as we please. including Rooting android and jail breaking apple.

i'll not buy a GM vehicle ever again if they push this forward. they need to hear backlash from the consumers and they'll change their minds.

[Mopar1973Man]

Thats why i now use Linux not Microsoft.

 

Here here... 

 

That why people are now creating there own controllers and such like Mega-Squirt and Arduino products. Even though my Step-Dad was a retiree from General Motors I never bought a GM product. Even when it can to buying my current truck GM's prices where still higher than Dodge's. As what I will do with my truck and future truck I will continue to do what I'm doing. I will always modify my vehicle to be what I want it to be. Period. If it requires modification of controller software or data I will do it.

[IBMobile]

This article was posted in an auto repair trade magazine.  https://www.yahoo.com/tech/general-motors-dont-touch-your-cars-software-119885316934.html

[Mopar1973Man]

The catch is, I had to agree to a software-license agreement when I first powered on this computer. Did you have to do any such thing with your car? Did you sign a software license with all the other dealer paperwork?

“If they haven’t written it down anywhere, then it’s completely bunk,” said Sherwin Siy, Public Knowledge vice president for legal affairs.  

GM declined to comment, instead pointing me to the Alliance. Spokesman Daniel Gage sent a Q&A document (item two: “Who owns my car? You do.”) and a statement warning that allowing circumvention of car code invited “serious risks to consumer safety and privacy, and clean air protections.”

 

I didn't sign or agree to any software license during the purchase of my vehicle or at the initial key on of the vehicle.