Let me approach this subject a different way.

 

I am looking for a different turbo for one of my 01 3500's and would like to know if there is any math or formula to help you make this choice? I know you have to try to match the air to fuel ratio, but thats it. I have BD's 110 injectors in this particular 3500 with a stock turbo and she always has a 16' company trailer attached to it with aluminum extrusion and ladders on it. I am just wanting a little more lower and a little lower EGT's without changing injectors of course. My other mods on the truck are basically the same for this one that is in my Sig below. If you need ,more info let me know and I will gladly post it.

Thanks for any input!

Steve

5 hours ago, trreed said:

I would start at 15 / 17 / 19 / 22 / 26 on your timing sliders.

Thank you ALL for your advice!!!

 

This is a whole new ball game to me, this computerized stuff. I am trying to read and learn everyday on it. So, like all motors timing is the worst enemy. I am going through all the tunes posted looking for a good tune for towing a 16' trailer. I dont think I am ready yet to make my own. LOL 

This is a newer offering from Borg Warner.

 

https://www.dieselautopower.com/dap-screaming-eagle-sxe-fmw-2nd-gen-fit-57-65-14-t3-gated-hx40

 

One improved feature on the SXE S357 13749880014 is the compressor wheel: 57.1mm inducer and a smaller 76.2mm exducer so it has less rotating mass and can spool faster. The SXE S357 is a big upgrade from the 174430 with 57.1mm inducer and 83.4mm exducer compressor wheel that flows less at 61lbs/minute.

 

There is also a 57.1mm/ with 61mm turbine  that we sell that will support about 400HP (turbine limited) that will work with factory 5 bolt flange so those with an exhaust brake can finally upgrade to a better turbo than a hx35/40 hybrid.

2 hours ago, dieselautopower said:

There is also a 57.1mm/ with 61mm turbine  that we sell that will support about 400HP (turbine limited) that will work with factory 5 bolt flange so those with an exhaust brake can finally upgrade to a better turbo than a hx35/40 hybrid.

 

On 5/14/2018 at 1:57 PM, Mopar1973Man said:

 

You were the first one I thought of when I read the post from @dieselautopower.  I knew you would be drooling over that

 

L8tr

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I wish I could but I've just don't have the extra cash for this... I'm looking towards refreshing injectors being I'm putting down so much mileage.

10 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I wish I could but I've just don't have the extra cash for this... I'm looking towards refreshing injectors being I'm putting down so much mileage.

I guess you will gave to keep 

 

L8tr

D

My last fuel logs. 

 

A year later and I've got nearly 70k miles on my injectors.

So I'm thinking of sending in my stock injectors which are junk and have a set of 7 x 0.010 SAC injectors popped at 330 bar. @Me78569 suggestion... So I'm basically choosing a fuel injector to fit my turbo which is backwards ot the OP's post here. 

Edited May 17, 20186 yr by Mopar1973Man

Would you say with my 62/67/12 I should go with 7x10 also, or little bigger. My 75hp are OK but canbus is maxed out by 30psi or even sooner. With wire tap I'll hit 42 43 psi sometimes for some reason it will get to 45. I know my Turbo is not meant for anything over 40 psi but just for reference. Reason I like 7x10 option is just in case something happens to the quad I'll still be able to drive without too much smoke. Idk just one othem moments where I think I can benefit from bigger injectors with this turbo.@Mopar1973Man @Me78569

@Mopar1970man I'd stick with VCO personally.  

VCO it is... 

Here is the link to the s200GX-E That is direct replacement https://www.dieselautopower.com/s200gx-e-dodge-ram-upgrade-turbo-12769880001

68lbs/minute.

 

Will post up some maps and more detail shortly.

17 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

VCO it is... 

Ok what is a VCO please?

 

Another question for you.

 How are you getting the numbers for the injectors? What I mean, for example, is what does a 7x10 injector come out to be? Is it a 110?

On 5/8/2018 at 9:01 AM, JDHudsn said:

@mopar440cu my best advice would be to borrow a calibrated torque wrench. I bought a Tekon off amazon to do the install. It’s was a POS. Both times I torqued my studs I did one at a time and stepped them up to spec. I can tell you after I did the sequence with the Tekon and came back with a Proto torque wrench and I was able to get a full turn on the first 4 studs and by that time the next few studs were only finger tight..... also after about a week or so of heat cycles I took the rockers off again and checked everything. If you do your work yourself it’s worth the extra step. Trust me I did a head gasket all myself. It’s a PITA

When you did yours I forgot to ask also did you machine the lower rocker arm cover at the No. 24 bolt hole location in the torque sequence to facilitate installation of the lower rocker arm cover? How did you do it?

I am pricing the studs now is why I ask.

VCO and SAC are different nozzle types.  VCO stands for Valve Covered Orifice.  SAC stands for something too.  VCO is stock style.  

The 7 x 0.010 number is the hole count in the nozzle, and 0.010 number is the orifice size in inches.  A 7 x 0.010 is roughly 150 HP.

For studs, no rocker arm modifications are needed for a 24v.  The modification you are referring to is to the common rail trucks, as they have a two piece rocker cover.  On our VP 24v trucks, some need a bit of clearancing on the #24 stud at the top of the valve cover, some do not.  Mine did not need it.  

On 5/8/2018 at 9:01 AM, JDHudsn said:

@mopar440cu my best advice would be to borrow a calibrated torque wrench. I bought a Tekon off amazon to do the install. It’s was a POS. Both times I torqued my studs I did one at a time and stepped them up to spec. I can tell you after I did the sequence with the Tekon and came back with a Proto torque wrench and I was able to get a full turn on the first 4 studs and by that time the next few studs were only finger tight..... also after about a week or so of heat cycles I took the rockers off again and checked everything. If you do your work yourself it’s worth the extra step. Trust me I did a head gasket all myself. It’s a PITA

Dang it forgot to ask, what torque wrench do you recommend ? I have a new Tekon I used on my AMC360 rebuild which I had no problem to this day and its been a couple years.

2 minutes ago, trreed said:

VCO and SAC are different nozzle types.  VCO stands for Valve Covered Orifice.  SAC stands for something too.  VCO is stock style.  

The 7 x 0.010 number is the hole count in the nozzle, and 0.010 number is the orifice size in inches.  A 7 x 0.010 is roughly 150 HP.

For studs, no rocker arm modifications are needed for a 24v.  The modification you are referring to is to the common rail trucks, as they have a two piece rocker cover.  On our VP 24v trucks, some need a bit of clearancing on the #24 stud at the top of the valve cover, some do not.  Mine did not need it.  

Awesome!! Do you have any recommendations on studs, maybe ARP? Also whats a good torque wrench to do this with? I have a Tekon, but don't want to mess this up.

ARP 2000 series is what I use.  Work perfectly fine for my application.  I used a Craftsman torque wrench.  Checked a stud a month and a half later and it was dead on torqued still.

On 5/14/2018 at 10:01 AM, dieselautopower said:

This is a newer offering from Borg Warner.

 

https://www.dieselautopower.com/dap-screaming-eagle-sxe-fmw-2nd-gen-fit-57-65-14-t3-gated-hx40

 

One improved feature on the SXE S357 13749880014 is the compressor wheel: 57.1mm inducer and a smaller 76.2mm exducer so it has less rotating mass and can spool faster. The SXE S357 is a big upgrade from the 174430 with 57.1mm inducer and 83.4mm exducer compressor wheel that flows less at 61lbs/minute.

 

There is also a 57.1mm/ with 61mm turbine  that we sell that will support about 400HP (turbine limited) that will work with factory 5 bolt flange so those with an exhaust brake can finally upgrade to a better turbo than a hx35/40 hybrid.

 

Oh that’s naughty.  

 

Essentially a super b that accepts an exhaust brake.  

 

I loved the super b on my old truck. 

 

Great 400 rwhp charger that spooled yesterday. 

 

Tiny little fart but it moved air. 

Edited May 17, 20186 yr by Ben

Way more air than a 174430 old style super B.  It also has a smaller turbine wheel (61).  The new style super B or the SXE 57mm s300 I linked to earlier is good to 450-500HP.

1 hour ago, dieselautopower said:

Way more air than a 174430 old style super B.  It also has a smaller turbine wheel (61).  The new style super B or the SXE 57mm s300 I linked to earlier is good to 450-500HP.

 

 

That is awesome!!!!!!!

 

i imagine the spool characteristics are similar.  

 

That would be a fantastic little bulletproof charger. 

20 hours ago, Me78569 said:

@Mopar1970man I'd stick with VCO personally.  

 

Why is that if you don’t mind me asking.  

 

Just curious as to why the preference.  

Edited May 17, 20186 yr by Ben

factory had vco, they also flow less.  but with the bigger hole size you can inject plenty.

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