Quadzilla Adrenaline V2 Testing

[Me78569]

haha nope sorry it is a 1 way communication from the ecm.

 

[xxTJRocksxx]

Hey guys quick question,

 

So I bought a fuel pressure sending unit (see link below), to plug the quad into, to get rid of my FP warning, and for data logging purposes.

 

The sensor I bought is 0-30 psi, 0.5 - 4.5 VDC. The issue is at idle the quad is indicating 53psi of fuel pressure, while the Fass sensor on the column is indicating 17psi. I am going to say that I think the sensors range is out of the quads range but if you guys can confirm that and tell me what the quad range for FP is?

 

This is the link to the sensor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RCPDE40/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Me78569]

the quad fuel pressure sensor is a 0-100 sensor.  You will need to get a sesnor with the same range to be accurate.  

[Dieselfuture]

Got it all updated to latest version, what changed.  when first started truck noticed psi is bouncing between 1 and 2. when got to about 120 collant temp. Got steady at 2psi. another thing is warm up mode is gone now, I could change power levels before coolant reached my warmup setting of 140.  not sure what I did wrong. I did have some issues doing a flash, maybe it's only partially loaded.

Edited November 21, 2016 by Dieselfuture

[Quadzilla Power]

On 10/25/2016 at 2:07 PM, Mopar1973Man said:

 

Few things I would like to request for the Quadzilla if possible. 

• 1 When firing up the iQuad App that it returns to your set screen instead of defaulting to the first screen.
• 2 Being able to export and import tunes as files on the phone or tablet. So you can backup your tunes or share with other Quadzilla owners or for tech support with Quadzilla for debugging. 
• 3 Audible alarms for high limits of your gauge (EGT and/or boost).
• 4 Customize the scale of gauges. Like the EGT gauge analog is rather difficult to read because of the odd span of tick marks as well as the other gauges. 
• 5 Configurable red zone for like EGT, boost etc. So it displayed on the gauge. 
• 6 For Newbies it would be handy for a help ? be displayed for different setting explaining what they do so you not hunting for articles or documents to remember what each setting does. 

1. I can probably get that one done, it might take a little while but this one is feasible. 

2. I love this idea, and I've already got this one in the works. 

3. I like this idea, but it is a hard thing to do and will cost $$$. I'm working on it, because it should be something that we can do, but it may be some time out. I will need to revisit this once all the updates for the V2 stuff are in there and working. 

4. I've had this complaint for a while. Here's the deal with the gauges. All of these numbers are generated automatically but the "tick" marks are static, not dynamic. So the number that corresponds with a percentage of total top end will get displayed. You can do the math and figure out what this is. Having your EGTs above 1600 is a lot more common than you think. We don't like it, but I've heard of people pushing 1800+. With that said, it would make much more sense for the top to be 1800 and then you get increments of 300/tick. I will update the .json files with that when I get a chance. 

5. I like this idea too. I've already spoken to the developer about this. This is the first thing coming after the V2 Equalizer. 

6. I really like this idea. What we need (and all y'all can help with this) is a concise 2 to 3 sentence paragraph about what each parameter does. This pretty much needs to happen and they custom parameters need names that better reflect what is actually going on. Maybe I should put up a contest about this with some SWAG prizes. (SWAG meaning Stuff We All Get like stickers and window decals or maybe a t-shirt. Maybe if its really good we can give out one of our new hoodies). 

 

I will find out if I can do that. 

On 10/31/2016 at 8:49 PM, leathermaneod said:

Here's another question, are the quad boxes different based on map sensor/year or are they all the same and useable with an adapter?

 

On 10/31/2016 at 8:57 PM, TFaoro said:

They have a little "jumper" on the circuit board that is easily removed by anyone, so basically the boxes work for all years if you have the jumper. 

Without the jumper they are plug and play for 98-00

With the jumper they are plug and play for 01-02

 

Interesting that you ask about this. I just finished a complete write up of this on our FAQ page:

http://quadzillapower.com/after-market-adrenaline/

 

This will go through each item that you need to convert an adrenaline from 1 year to another with pictures. 

On 10/31/2016 at 8:59 PM, leathermaneod said:

What about the difference in map sensor plug shape?

 

On 10/31/2016 at 9:01 PM, TFaoro said:

Those are different.

98-00 = same

01 has its own

02 has its own

 

It's a small little adapter on the harness though that's $50 or so from @dieselautopower

 

Also on that same page linked above. 

 

[Me78569]

4 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

Got it all updated to latest version, what changed.  when first started truck noticed psi is bouncing between 1 and 2. when got to about 120 collant temp. Got steady at 2psi. another thing is warm up mode is gone now, I could change power levels before coolant reached my warmup setting of 140.  not sure what I did wrong. I did have some issues doing a flash, maybe it's only partially loaded.

No changes to the boost read were done.  I am guessing temp is playing a role in how the map sensor is reading.  

 

Warm up mode has not been touched, I am assuming you just need to reapply the setting from the phone app.  Keep in mind that you need to turn off the truck for the quad to put it in warmup mode again.  Once the temp is reached once during running warm up mode is canceled until power is cycled.

 

It's likely loaded correct.  

 

@Quadzilla Power  I am really digging the new page.

 

 

Edit:

 

I found another Bug from the old days of Quad.  I fixed it today.  Timing is increasing as we would expect when using timing numbers above 10*  Not a big bug, but @TFaoro was pointing out to me that timing numbers were not making sense.

 

 

Issue was the base tune was limiting timing max to 10* but the app was allowing 15*.  

 

15 might seem like a lot, but if you use the scaling function to limit upper end timing you can limit max timing increase to 8* but have a timing curve that looks VERY similar to the Smarty timing.  Setting max timing to 15* and scaling to 55% will give you a max of 8.25 * timing but 16-17* of timing at 10-15 psi of boost.  

 

Anyone running the V2 stuff should ask questions about how the scaling works if they don't understand.  The Scaling function is a VERY useful tuning item.  

Edited November 22, 2016 by Me78569

[Mopar1973Man]

Hey @Quadzilla Power take a look at the OBDLink App and how it works it will give you a clue to my ideas. 

Edited November 22, 2016 by Mopar1973Man

[xxTJRocksxx]

3 hours ago, Me78569 said:

No changes to the boost read were done.  I am guessing temp is playing a role in how the map sensor is reading.  

 

Warm up mode has not been touched, I am assuming you just need to reapply the setting from the phone app.  Keep in mind that you need to turn off the truck for the quad to put it in warmup mode again.  Once the temp is reached once during running warm up mode is canceled until power is cycled.

 

It's likely loaded correct.  

 

@Quadzilla Power  I am really digging the new page.

 

 

Edit:

 

I found another Bug from the old days of Quad.  I fixed it today.  Timing is increasing as we would expect when using timing numbers above 10*  Not a big bug, but @TFaoro was pointing out to me that timing numbers were not making sense.

 

 

Issue was the base tune was limiting timing max to 10* but the app was allowing 15*.  

 

15 might seem like a lot, but if you use the scaling function to limit upper end timing you can limit max timing increase to 8* but have a timing curve that looks VERY similar to the Smarty timing.  Setting max timing to 15* and scaling to 55% will give you a max of 8.25 * timing but 16-17* of timing at 10-15 psi of boost.  

 

Anyone running the V2 stuff should ask questions about how the scaling works if they don't understand.  The Scaling function is a VERY useful tuning item.  

@Me78569 Can you explain how the timing scaling works?

@Quadzilla Power Regarding the requested "help" info for newbies, it would be nice if the website had good info for the custom tuning parameters such as:

 

Description of the parameter > how increasing or decreasing will affect performance.

 

FAQ questions and answers like "how to increase response" or "how to spool the turbo faster" regarding tuning

[Quadzilla Power]

Not sure if

On 11/9/2016 at 7:45 AM, Dieselfuture said:

Got another question

Say my truck is running and my phone is on and linked to adrenalin through iquad, can someone with quad software on their phone change my settings while my phone is linked or only when nothing is linked to iquad one device can be liked. I'm guessing any device that is compatible can be linked to iquad through bluetooth just like I did originally with my phone and there were no passwords, it just asks you pair with this device, push it and you're paired. Just wondering if anyone tried this, kind of a concern to me. Not that random people will be paring with you, and they would still need the software to do anything, but if you had a buddy that liked messing with you then... 

 

Only 1 bluetooth or WiFi connection can be active at a time. That means, as long as you are connected to your device, you buddy can't mess with you. If you aren't connected however ... 

On 11/9/2016 at 6:11 PM, Me78569 said:

What fuse is you're tapping?  What are the odds that something funky in the CTM causes a prolonged 12v that goes away after an hour or some given period of time?  Maybe somehting with the lights I dunno just thinking out loud.

 

 

Does it revert back to lvl0 if you turn the truck off for say 30 seconds?  

 

Onyl thing I am thinking of is that there used to be some trucks that just would not hold the setting using fuse 9 or 7 or whatever it is you are supposed to use.  They switched to another fuse and bam it started working.  this was a number of years ago, but it comes to mind since you have a late truck

 

The tapped fuse is for ignition sensing and turbo timing only. The +12v lead losing power is the only reason the Adrenaline would revert to PL0. 

 

On 11/9/2016 at 6:22 PM, Me78569 said:

Cool thanks.  I would call Spencer and ask him whats up.  I was gonna look at a wire diagram and see what I find.   

 

did you extend the wire for the 12v lead?  Might be worth probing the big quad connector for power on that pin to make sure the box is getting power.

 

 

@Carbur8tr

 

Also if the Quad reverts to lvl0 it also reverts to the default tune...or I think it does. 

 

 

 

And also the Adrenaline will default back to the default tune by default if the power is lost. 

 

Somehow, the Adrenaline is either loosing power or getting a condition that is causing a reset to the processor. The only other reason would be something with warm-up mode, but if it happens after 30seconds, then your truck is probably still warmed up. 

 

Its got to be a power issue on the 12v line. 

12 hours ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Hey @Quadzilla Power take a look at the OBDLink App and how it works it will give you a clue to my ideas. 

I'm looking at it now. We would like to be able to implement a bunch of those features, its just all about the $$$ at this point. We will probably have something coming down the line in the future with a lot more features, however, it will be some time. 

 

[Me78569]

@xxTJRocksxx

 

 

Scaling tutorial

 

 

 

so imagine that timing increases on a linear basis in relation to boost( it doesn't but for explaining it is easier to think of it that way)  

 

We will do 2 made up tunes to compare, only looking at timing

 

Tune 1:

Timing Max: 8*

Timing Scaling: 100% scaling

 

Tune 2:

Timing Max: 15*

Timing Scaling: %53

 

 

For Tune 1 you will get a max of 8* ( 8 X %100) = 8   or (8 x 1) = 8*

For Tune 2 you will get a max of 8* ( 15 x %53)  = 8  or (15 x .53) = 8*

 

so you can see that max timing is the same between those 2 tunes.  Now how the scaling works is it sets a upper limit for timing that = whatever you have set from above, but before that limit is reached the timing will ramp up as if it was going to 15*.

 

So lets look at what happens if the map says we need %20 of max timing. 

 

Tune 1 at %20:

8* x %20 = 1.6*

 

Tune 2 at %20:

15* x %20 = 3*

 

So at the same point in the map you are getting nearly 2x the timing with tune 2

 

So lets look at what happens when the map says %50 is needed

 

Tune 1 at %50:

8* x %50 = 4*

 

Tune 2 at %50:

15* x %50 = 7.5*

 

Again you can see tune 2 has nearly 2 times the timing addtion

 

 

So lastly lets look at what happens when the map calls for %75

 

Tune 1 at %75:

8* x %75 = 6*

 

Tune 2 at %75:

15* x %75 = 11.25....... BUT 11.25 is greater than the max scaling % allows for from above in RED so the Quad will only allow *8 from above

 

 

So lets look at a pretty graph to show the same thing Different numbers but you see how the red line increases faster until it hits max timing, which is always (Timing max x scaling %)

 

 

 

Does that clear it up?

Edited November 22, 2016 by Me78569

[xxTJRocksxx]

27 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

@xxTJRocksxx

 

 

Scaling tutorial

 

 

 

so imagine that timing increases on a linear basis in relation to boost( it doesn't but for explaining it is easier to think of it that way)  

 

We will do 2 made up tunes to compare, only looking at timing

 

Tune 1:

Timing Max: 8*

Timing Scaling: 100% scaling

 

Tune 2:

Timing Max: 15*

Timing Scaling: %53

 

 

For Tune 1 you will get a max of 8* ( 8 X %100) = 8   or (8 x 1) = 8*

For Tune 2 you will get a max of 8* ( 15 x %53)  = 8  or (15 x .53) = 8*

 

so you can see that max timing is the same between those 2 tunes.  Now how the scaling works is it sets a upper limit for timing that = whatever you have set from above, but before that limit is reached the timing will ramp up as if it was going to 15*.

 

So lets look at what happens if the map says we need %20 of max timing. 

 

Tune 1 at %20:

8* x %20 = 1.6*

 

Tune 2 at %20:

15* x %20 = 3*

 

So at the same point in the map you are getting nearly 2x the timing with tune 2

 

So lets look at what happens when the map says %50 is needed

 

Tune 1 at %50:

8* x %50 = 4*

 

Tune 2 at %50:

15* x %50 = 7.5*

 

Again you can see tune 2 has nearly 2 times the timing addtion

 

 

So lastly lets look at what happens when the map calls for %75

 

Tune 1 at %75:

8* x %75 = 6*

 

Tune 2 at %75:

15* x %75 = 11.25....... BUT 11.25 is greater than the max scaling % allows for from above in RED so the Quad will only allow *8 from above

 

 

So lets look at a pretty graph to show the same thing Different numbers but you see how the red line increases faster until it hits max timing, which is always (Timing max x scaling %)

 

Very Interesting! So by using a higher timing max and lower timing scaling % it allows you to get to max timing t sooner in the map than if you just run say 8* and 100%? How does the map compute when to pull and advance timing? I read your post on how the factory tune relies more on RPM, and TPS%, with a small effect from Boost. Does this change with the quad map?

[Me78569]

Yep you have that right,

 

ECM timing seems to be purely related to RPM, if you do some data logging on lvl 0 you will see this.  Timing stays pretty low until ~2300-2400 rpm. 

 

 

The Quad advances and pulls based upon a number of different axises.  but generally speaking boost is important to the Quad for timing.     Think of it as related to boost when you are tuning your settings.  

[xxTJRocksxx]

@Me78569

 

Here is a few Data Logs I ran last night on my different tunes, and a spread sheet with the tune parameters. I'm averaging 19.8 - 20.3 mpg on my work commutes (50 miles mostly flat Florida turnpike). Do you think there is any meat left on the bone?

Iquad tunes 11.22.16.xlsx

mpg tune lvl 2 11.21.16.xlsx

normal tune lvl 2 11.21.16.xlsx

race tune lvl 4 11.21.16.xlsx

towing tune lvl 2 11.21.16.xlsx

38 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

Yep you have that right,

 

ECM timing seems to be purely related to RPM, if you do some data logging on lvl 0 you will see this.  Timing stays pretty low until ~2300-2400 rpm. 

 

 

The Quad advances and pulls based upon a number of different axises.  but generally speaking boost is important to the Quad for timing.     Think of it as related to boost when you are tuning your settings.  

Roger that so Factory ECM > RPM+TPS = Major timing control

 

ADR> RPM+Boost+TPS = Timing map

[Me78569]

What speed are your cruising at?  what rpm?  

 

Etc

[xxTJRocksxx]

8 hours ago, Me78569 said:

What speed are your cruising at?  what rpm?  

 

Etc

65-70, 1980-2100 rpm, its on the logs I posted.

[Me78569]

at those speeds with 4:10's I am thinking that 20mpg is pretty good.    for my truck ~19.5-20* timing seems to net the most mpg.

 

 

[xxTJRocksxx]

37 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

at those speeds with 4:10's I am thinking that 20mpg is pretty good.    for my truck ~19.5-20* timing seems to net the most mpg.

 

 

4.10's??? Dang I never thought about that, I thought the 3500 came with 3.55's. I agree on the timing, although it seems like above 70 mph, timing likes to hang out near 15-18*.

[Me78569]

My  math was off 3.55's are about right for those revs

 

 

If timing is coming down to 15-18* at 70 then you must have a ton of load,  I might try to beef up your tune a bit to get load down and timing back up.  

 

[xxTJRocksxx]

Here is a log from driving on the highway tonight on Pwr LVL 3.

 

I was playing with throttle and speed to see how timing curve was translating, this DD tune is running 15* max timing @ 55% Scaling. I am pretty pleased with overall performance, I just need to stud my head so I can run more than 40lbs of boost from the compounds. Overall I feel the Quad V2 is pretty awesome, I just wish there were better articles explaining the effects of fuel timing for diesels, without re studying thermo-dynamics. Having a GM LS / Jet engine background helps, but ignition timing in a gas engine is way different, and a TFE 731-60 Continuously sprays fuel after light off.

normal tune 3 lvl 3 11.22.16.xlsx

@Me78569 Have a look at this revised tune in column ""Norm 3". I added a few percent fuel to the maps that the load was not following the throttle pos. I am wondering if I need to up the timing reduct. scaling for these scenarios, and pull some more timing during acceleration to help spool the turbo. My boost on the last map I sent looks to lag quite a bit even though it did not feel like it on the road.

Iquad tunes 11.22.16.xlsx

[TFaoro]

Driving home Monday I had some stop and go traffic, combined with some 75mph and some 65mph. Came out to 145-150 miles or so and netted 22.1 mpg running 19.8x deg of timing most of the way. Best I've netted with these injectors yet. I'm not expecting any better than that considering I have a haze at idle  

On 11/21/2016 at 5:33 PM, Quadzilla Power said:

4. I've had this complaint for a while. Here's the deal with the gauges. All of these numbers are generated automatically but the "tick" marks are static, not dynamic. So the number that corresponds with a percentage of total top end will get displayed. You can do the math and figure out what this is. Having your EGTs above 1600 is a lot more common than you think. We don't like it, but I've heard of people pushing 1800+. With that said, it would make much more sense for the top to be 1800 and then you get increments of 300/tick. I will update the .json files with that when I get a chance. 

 

Yea.... I've maxed the quad pyro on the dyno and on the street. If I remember right the max it reads is 1,834*. Honestly I like looking at the numbers on my quad and have the analog gauges on the pillar if I want to just glance at them.